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		<title>By: Brightsun</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-169173</link>
		<dc:creator>Brightsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorting makes liquidity. I say a buyer makes liquidity.
If there were no buyers, you would not be able to sell  or sell short!.
There would be no market.

It takes buyers and sellers to make the market. 
Shorts along with market makers not following the law manipulate the market.

basic short argument is: 
No one is selling so no one can buy. 
So shorts , out of the goodness of their heart,  borrow a stock and sell  the stock to make a market. 
I thought this was the job of the Market Maker and the 3 day rule to help the Market Maker.
This liquidity the short “brings “ into the market is really to his advantage.

What does a naked short need to accomplish his goals?
INCREASE selling of a stock. (wow, he can help his own cause)
The stock owner does not know it has happened.
Not returning a stock  within 3 days.
Market Makers complacency, deal making or greed.
Advance negative information
Rumors
Anything negative. 

When you naked sell a stock, you do so because you think it will go lower.
you have  information that few others have and you want to take advantage of that.
The 3 days rule takes place: but tough for the information to get out in 3 days to affect the stock.
So I think a naked shorter has to have working terms with a Market Maker(s) to accomplish him taking advantage of his information.

Lets assume the information gets out in 3 days. Do you think there will be sellers now?
Did we really need naked shorts to create liquidity?
Lets see a naked short, out of the goodness of his heart,  buy a stock to make a market when there are only sellers. No buyers, no market period!
 
The truth is: The “owner of the stock” did not know it happened!
Who would loan their car to an unknown person if they knew their car would be devalued when returned? Try this with any car rental!
 
With stock, the owner has voting rights and a record that he owns the stock. 
With naked short you end up with more then 100% ownership. 
Only a problem when you have big investors who can vote in a block, otherwise you never see it.

The &quot;lender&quot; (Market Maker) of a stock makes money by buying and selling. 
The greed of a Market Maker lends to the problem.  The MM does nothing when the short overextends. 
Let me not pay my stock bill on time and see what happens to me. 
How timely, action happens to anyone who has had a margin account go sour. 
 
All stock buys/sells should be halted for the person that does not return any stock within the 3 day period. PERIOD! And appropriate action against the Market Maker and especially the Broker who bends the rules for large clients but not small clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorting makes liquidity. I say a buyer makes liquidity.<br />
If there were no buyers, you would not be able to sell  or sell short!.<br />
There would be no market.</p>
<p>It takes buyers and sellers to make the market.<br />
Shorts along with market makers not following the law manipulate the market.</p>
<p>basic short argument is:<br />
No one is selling so no one can buy.<br />
So shorts , out of the goodness of their heart,  borrow a stock and sell  the stock to make a market.<br />
I thought this was the job of the Market Maker and the 3 day rule to help the Market Maker.<br />
This liquidity the short “brings “ into the market is really to his advantage.</p>
<p>What does a naked short need to accomplish his goals?<br />
INCREASE selling of a stock. (wow, he can help his own cause)<br />
The stock owner does not know it has happened.<br />
Not returning a stock  within 3 days.<br />
Market Makers complacency, deal making or greed.<br />
Advance negative information<br />
Rumors<br />
Anything negative. </p>
<p>When you naked sell a stock, you do so because you think it will go lower.<br />
you have  information that few others have and you want to take advantage of that.<br />
The 3 days rule takes place: but tough for the information to get out in 3 days to affect the stock.<br />
So I think a naked shorter has to have working terms with a Market Maker(s) to accomplish him taking advantage of his information.</p>
<p>Lets assume the information gets out in 3 days. Do you think there will be sellers now?<br />
Did we really need naked shorts to create liquidity?<br />
Lets see a naked short, out of the goodness of his heart,  buy a stock to make a market when there are only sellers. No buyers, no market period!</p>
<p>The truth is: The “owner of the stock” did not know it happened!<br />
Who would loan their car to an unknown person if they knew their car would be devalued when returned? Try this with any car rental!</p>
<p>With stock, the owner has voting rights and a record that he owns the stock.<br />
With naked short you end up with more then 100% ownership.<br />
Only a problem when you have big investors who can vote in a block, otherwise you never see it.</p>
<p>The &#8220;lender&#8221; (Market Maker) of a stock makes money by buying and selling.<br />
The greed of a Market Maker lends to the problem.  The MM does nothing when the short overextends.<br />
Let me not pay my stock bill on time and see what happens to me.<br />
How timely, action happens to anyone who has had a margin account go sour. </p>
<p>All stock buys/sells should be halted for the person that does not return any stock within the 3 day period. PERIOD! And appropriate action against the Market Maker and especially the Broker who bends the rules for large clients but not small clients.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-167136</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen:
 STOP using the term NAKED SHORT SALE. Immediately! Purge it from yout public lexicon. Why?
 (1) people&#039;s eyes glaze over: if you have to explain it, it doesn&#039;t work 
 (2) It serves the obfuscator&#039;s purposes

START using the term: COUNTERFEIT STOCK. People understand that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen:<br />
 STOP using the term NAKED SHORT SALE. Immediately! Purge it from yout public lexicon. Why?<br />
 (1) people&#8217;s eyes glaze over: if you have to explain it, it doesn&#8217;t work<br />
 (2) It serves the obfuscator&#8217;s purposes</p>
<p>START using the term: COUNTERFEIT STOCK. People understand that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-166974</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 10:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>call to acccount ..  yes who you gunna call?   We must remind ourselves that no system can survive when its main function has evolved to confound, confuse and circumnavigate long established proceedures,laws and protocools.  The end game now is to give accounting and proceedural actions more importance that the substantive ones -- in this case an actual functioning economy.  When &quot;futures&quot; and promises become the de facto controlling system and the underlying real collateral / values are obscurred -- then houston - we have a problem.    Things would be made a lot easier if one understands the past economic system has simply given way to swindle and there is precious little recourse.  If the banks (for one) have taken over the gov -- and maybe &#039;merged&#039; with Treasury then charlie, you also lost your country.  The frustrating part is that as we speak, the game is over for many  -- if you are not on a winning side right now -- you have lost full stop.   This is hard for a lot of people to accept -  the old rules, system is gone with the wind.......  The only thing to do is salvage yourself and family, move on and figure out what you are going to do with the rest of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>call to acccount ..  yes who you gunna call?   We must remind ourselves that no system can survive when its main function has evolved to confound, confuse and circumnavigate long established proceedures,laws and protocools.  The end game now is to give accounting and proceedural actions more importance that the substantive ones &#8212; in this case an actual functioning economy.  When &#8220;futures&#8221; and promises become the de facto controlling system and the underlying real collateral / values are obscurred &#8212; then houston &#8211; we have a problem.    Things would be made a lot easier if one understands the past economic system has simply given way to swindle and there is precious little recourse.  If the banks (for one) have taken over the gov &#8212; and maybe &#8216;merged&#8217; with Treasury then charlie, you also lost your country.  The frustrating part is that as we speak, the game is over for many  &#8212; if you are not on a winning side right now &#8212; you have lost full stop.   This is hard for a lot of people to accept &#8211;  the old rules, system is gone with the wind&#8230;&#8230;.  The only thing to do is salvage yourself and family, move on and figure out what you are going to do with the rest of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 11:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any similarity between how the &#039;gov&#039;t&#039; has handled the uaw/mafia and how the SEC handles the hedgefunds?

Judge for yourself:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Q58pnx2yx10C&amp;pg=PA87&amp;lpg=PA87&amp;dq=uaw+mafia&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=yp-OWqT4dB&amp;sig=8cmNNg0kz7Eg9XQYz0zyfEEkA3w&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=1nn9SYGlGJ7Ftgf5y8yuBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5#PPA86,M1

Now, can anyone guess why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any similarity between how the &#8216;gov&#8217;t&#8217; has handled the uaw/mafia and how the SEC handles the hedgefunds?</p>
<p>Judge for yourself:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Q58pnx2yx10C&amp;pg=PA87&amp;lpg=PA87&amp;dq=uaw+mafia&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=yp-OWqT4dB&amp;sig=8cmNNg0kz7Eg9XQYz0zyfEEkA3w&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=1nn9SYGlGJ7Ftgf5y8yuBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5#PPA86,M1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=Q58pnx2yx10C&amp;pg=PA87&amp;lpg=PA87&amp;dq=uaw+mafia&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=yp-OWqT4dB&amp;sig=8cmNNg0kz7Eg9XQYz0zyfEEkA3w&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=1nn9SYGlGJ7Ftgf5y8yuBg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5#PPA86,M1</a></p>
<p>Now, can anyone guess why?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 10:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mafia must be most proud of its stepchild, the UAW, at this point in time.

I imagine they have many creative uses envisioned for that pension and health fund!

Perhaps market manipulation will be part of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mafia must be most proud of its stepchild, the UAW, at this point in time.</p>
<p>I imagine they have many creative uses envisioned for that pension and health fund!</p>
<p>Perhaps market manipulation will be part of it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JimH</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159378</link>
		<dc:creator>JimH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, Obama is in bed with Soros.

He is one of the key market manipulators:

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/28/soros-show-trials#comment_52436</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Obama is in bed with Soros.</p>
<p>He is one of the key market manipulators:</p>
<p><a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/28/soros-show-trials#comment_52436" rel="nofollow">http://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/28/soros-show-trials#comment_52436</a></p>
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		<title>By: NOYBIZNIZ</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159370</link>
		<dc:creator>NOYBIZNIZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 13:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, you really don&#039;t get it, do you?  It doesn&#039;t matter if Obama or Bush is in the White House.  Do you really think that Obama is going to &quot;change&quot; things?  If so, you&#039;re in for a rude awakening.  But, that&#039;s okay... you keep drinking the kool-aid and passing it around....

Oh, and do you want an answer to your question &quot;Who spent, stole and wasted more money than Bush and Paulson??&quot;

That&#039;s easy.... Obama and Geithner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, you really don&#8217;t get it, do you?  It doesn&#8217;t matter if Obama or Bush is in the White House.  Do you really think that Obama is going to &#8220;change&#8221; things?  If so, you&#8217;re in for a rude awakening.  But, that&#8217;s okay&#8230; you keep drinking the kool-aid and passing it around&#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh, and do you want an answer to your question &#8220;Who spent, stole and wasted more money than Bush and Paulson??&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s easy&#8230;. Obama and Geithner!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortune repeats a few times that the other side of Bernie Madoff&#039;s business was legit:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/24/news/newsmakers/madoff.fortune/index.htm

How can they make that claim since it was involved, as the investigation reveals, in laundering some 200 million or so?

Just who is Fortune protecting here? The sons and family? Why??!!??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortune repeats a few times that the other side of Bernie Madoff&#8217;s business was legit:</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/24/news/newsmakers/madoff.fortune/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/24/news/newsmakers/madoff.fortune/index.htm</a></p>
<p>How can they make that claim since it was involved, as the investigation reveals, in laundering some 200 million or so?</p>
<p>Just who is Fortune protecting here? The sons and family? Why??!!??</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159357</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks as if the short ban is going to be up to congress.

SEC back to resuming its rightful position of nonentity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks as if the short ban is going to be up to congress.</p>
<p>SEC back to resuming its rightful position of nonentity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159356</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevermind, I got so excited at the hint of action I posted too soon. Same article:

&quot;Short-Selling

Schapiro said the SEC won’t ban short-selling when the results are released. The SEC, under former Chairman Christopher Cox, prohibited bets against stocks for three weeks last September after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. declared bankruptcy and the global credit crisis worsened.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind, I got so excited at the hint of action I posted too soon. Same article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Short-Selling</p>
<p>Schapiro said the SEC won’t ban short-selling when the results are released. The SEC, under former Chairman Christopher Cox, prohibited bets against stocks for three weeks last September after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. declared bankruptcy and the global credit crisis worsened.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159355</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shock of shocks, Schapiro starting to show evidence of brain activity and baby teeth:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=amPA7DlI04cw&amp;refer=us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shock of shocks, Schapiro starting to show evidence of brain activity and baby teeth:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=amPA7DlI04cw&amp;refer=us" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=amPA7DlI04cw&amp;refer=us</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarge</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159323</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Cerberus was mentioned above, I thought this link held some relevance:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/01/bankruptcy-cerberus-chrysler-business-autos-cerberus.html?partner=links</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Cerberus was mentioned above, I thought this link held some relevance:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/01/bankruptcy-cerberus-chrysler-business-autos-cerberus.html?partner=links" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/01/bankruptcy-cerberus-chrysler-business-autos-cerberus.html?partner=links</a></p>
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		<title>By: calltoaccount</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/obama-finds-hedge-fund-greed-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-159304</link>
		<dc:creator>calltoaccount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below is Flim-flam Floyd&#039;s blog entry to cover his ass for the original &quot;Goodbye to Naked Shorting&quot; story cited above.  Notice the much less definitive headline.  Norris is only a notch above Nocera on the credibility level.



April 30, 2009, 10:39 PM
Is Naked Shorting Gone?
In my Friday column, I report on data that seems to indicate the S.E.C. has solved the naked shorting problem. That data indicates that the number of failed stock trades — in which shares are not delivered on time — is way down.

That column reports that Patrick Byrne, the chairman of Overstock.com, suggested a number of ways that failures could be hidden by Wall Street. But I did not offer detail on those views.

For anyone interested, here is the relevant e-mail exchange:

Mr. Byrne:
I notice that Overstock.com has not been on the Reg SHO list for some time, and that few stocks are on it now. Does that mean the rules have worked, or what other comments would you make?
Floyd Norris

Dear Mr. Norris,
Thank you for asking. As you may know, I have never primarily considered this fight to be about Overstock: it has been a fight to curtail illegal-but-winked at stock manipulation in our marketplace before more companies were destroyed and our marketplace destabilized. I always felt the insistence by some that my fight was about Overstock was part of a cover-up, and so I commend you for asking regarding the greater picture.

If I learned that the percentage of HIV-infection in the public blood supply had dropped, it would give me cheer, but I would not say, “This level of HIV infected blood has reached an acceptable level.” Similarly, seeing this drop in the number of firms on the Reg SHO list and the number of failed shares brings me cheer, but does not make me think the game is won. In particular, until we have data on failures in the other nooks and crannies of the system (broker-level netting, pre-netting, Stock Borrow Program, ex-clearing and off-shore failures) I cannot celebrate victory. However, yes I do think that the rule changes put in place during the latter part of last year made stock manipulation harder, and people have to be more sophisticated to do it.

Ultimately, what has to happen is that we go to requirements for pre-borrow and hard-delivery. That is what it will take to really end things. Incidentally, that is where the discourse was some months ago when it log-jammed within the SEC: on one side, the good guys arguing for pre-borrow and hard-delivery; on the other side, SIFMA and the Managed Funds Association arguing against them (on the grounds that if they were forced to stop doing that thing they have all along sworn they were not doing, it would dramatically affect liquidity). I believe (and have a source from within the SEC who tells me) that the current debate over the uptick rule was largely manufactured to shift the discourse. It is a red herring.
Respectfully,
Patrick Byrne

Thank you for your prompt reply.
Is there evidence available on the scale of the “failures in the other nooks and crannies of the system (broker-level netting, pre-netting, Stock Borrow Program, ex-clearing and off-shore failures)” that you refer to? Netting sounds as if it removes the possibility of manipulation. Is there a reason to think otherwise?
Floyd Norris
Dear Floyd,
First, just to make sure you know what I am talking about, I am sending you this section from an essay I wrote last August 3rd:

Let us look at where these unsettled trades can reside within the piping of the “factory” that is our nation’s stock settlement system, The Depository Trust &amp; Clearing Company (“DTCC”). I will use Goldman and Morgan as hypothetical examples only.

“Desked trades” – Imagine Goldman takes your order for 1,000 shares of stock, but stashes your order in a desk and sends you statements saying that you have those 1,000 shares in your account (and use your money towards the $10 billion they pay themselves at the end of the year for being so clever). They have written a CDF to you without your knowledge: there is a 1,000 share failure-to-deliver to you at Goldman (which no one else knows about, incidentally).

“Pre-netting” - Goldman has one client sell 5,000 shares and another buys 3,000. The seller never delivers. Goldman “pre-nets” the trades before submitting them to the DTCC. Hence, the DTCC sees only 2,000 shares of the failure.

“CNS netting” - Goldman submits to the DTCC’s Continuous Net Settlement system that it sold 2,000 shares that it does not deliver. Imagine Morgan Stanley was on the other side of that particular trade. But maybe Morgan has a client who sold 1,000 to a Goldman client, and which that Morgan client failed-to-deliver. The DTCC nets the two trades, and therefore sees just 1,000 shares of failure (Goldman to Morgan).

“Stock Borrow Program” (“SBP”) - The DTCC looks at that 1,000 share failure, and says, “We have 400 shares we can loan Goldman from our Stock Borrow Program”, i.e., from the accounts of other BD’s within the DTCC. That reduces the failures it sees to 600.

“Ex-clearing” - Suppose Goldman and Morgan apply to the DTCC to move 500 of those fails ex-clearing, and the DTCC approves. Those 500 FTD’s are turned into a derivative contract between Goldman and Morgan. As a private contract, it is not regulated by the SEC, and the DTCC does not even know when that contract gets cleaned up, if ever.

“Offshore Failures” – Suppose someone sells 1,000 shares into this market from a foreign offshore exchange? There is a different terminology to describe such failures, and therefore the data is hard to get to. What is clear, however, is that there is little pressure to clean up failures among exchanges.

In this example, there are 100 failures at the CNS level. Yet there were 7,000 failures throughout the system. Therefore, we should remember that, however many unsettled equity trades there are at the CNS level, it is likely to be a fraction, and maybe a quite tiny fraction, of the total unsettled trades in the system.

What is the ratio of total fails in the system to those trapped in the CNS system? No one seems to know (and in fact, while the individual pieces of data are known individually, I strongly suspect that no one party has the bird’s eye view of how many of these there are at all levels). The estimates I am told range from 3 to 15. For ease I will refer to this as, “The Iceberg Principle” and the ratio of total failures to CNS failures as “I”.

So how big a problem is this?

∙The last reported size of the failures-to-deliver at the CNS level are $8.7 billion.

∙By Iceberg Principle, total failures = I X $8.7 billion ≈ $30 to $120 billion.

∙By Feynman Principle, total cost to cover = F X I X $8.7b = F X ($30 to $120 billion).

So respectfully, Wall Street, I believe you are Oak Ridge, Tennessee, blithely going about your jobs at the factory, taking for granted “the piping” that is our settlement system. I believe you have manufactured, and are sitting squarely on top of, a financial atomic bomb. That’s not good for you, of course, and if it goes critical, America is downwind.

Second: So now your questions are: Doesn’t netting remove the possibility of manipulation? And, What evidence is there regarding the size of failures in those crevices?

a) Netting does not remove the possibility of manipulation, but masks it instead. Assume Goldman has a client selling 1,000 shares of stock ABC, and Morgan has a client who buys those 1,000 shares, but the shares never deliver. However, Morgan has another client who sells 1,000 shares, and Goldman has one who buys those 1,000, but they also never deliver. In total, there have been 2,000 shares sold but not delivered. However, by pre-netting the brokers’ fails, those failures disappear. Collectively the two sellers have weighed down the market with 2,000 shares of phantom stock, but the netting makes 0 fails show at the DTCC.

b) What is the evidence supporting my claims regarding the size of the failures in those other crevices? I am 100% confident of my claims because I possess incontrovertible proof that, for one particular stock whose name for legal reasons I cannot disclose (but you may be able to guess), the failures maintained by justone broker injust the ex-clearing crevice have been, at times, greater than the sum total of the failures showing up in the CNS system: Thus to me, this is a settled question.

For one not in a position to review such evidence, however, you will have to do what I have done, which is, interview people in the settlement industry, find out where trade failures can persist, and for how long, and why. I think any fair-minded researcher will quickly be told of how much slop there is in these stock settlement niches, how easy it is to take things ex-clearing, how deep the offshore failures run, and so forth. Then the fair-minded researcher will try to get some data from the SEC, or DTCC, and will discover that he is stonewalled on even the most basic information, a fact which would, I think, raise the suspicions of that fair-minded researcher. Indeed, this is where some members of your esteemed profession have rubbed me raw, because instead of saying, “Why can’t the Establishment release the data, if there is really nothing there?” (as until a few years ago I would have expected any journalist to reason), instead almost all of them have said, “Well, I agree there is evidence of settlement failures, but the Establishment says there’s no problem, and they won’t release the data to show me one way or another, so I’ll just stop digging.” After all, remember that we are not debating the properties of some newly-discovered subatomic particles: this data is knowable, and is in fact, known. Good luck trying to get anyone to release it to you (without filing the kind of massive, one-in-a-lifetime lawsuit against an entire industry, as I have done).

I hope this helps.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below is Flim-flam Floyd&#8217;s blog entry to cover his ass for the original &#8220;Goodbye to Naked Shorting&#8221; story cited above.  Notice the much less definitive headline.  Norris is only a notch above Nocera on the credibility level.</p>
<p>April 30, 2009, 10:39 PM<br />
Is Naked Shorting Gone?<br />
In my Friday column, I report on data that seems to indicate the S.E.C. has solved the naked shorting problem. That data indicates that the number of failed stock trades — in which shares are not delivered on time — is way down.</p>
<p>That column reports that Patrick Byrne, the chairman of Overstock.com, suggested a number of ways that failures could be hidden by Wall Street. But I did not offer detail on those views.</p>
<p>For anyone interested, here is the relevant e-mail exchange:</p>
<p>Mr. Byrne:<br />
I notice that Overstock.com has not been on the Reg SHO list for some time, and that few stocks are on it now. Does that mean the rules have worked, or what other comments would you make?<br />
Floyd Norris</p>
<p>Dear Mr. Norris,<br />
Thank you for asking. As you may know, I have never primarily considered this fight to be about Overstock: it has been a fight to curtail illegal-but-winked at stock manipulation in our marketplace before more companies were destroyed and our marketplace destabilized. I always felt the insistence by some that my fight was about Overstock was part of a cover-up, and so I commend you for asking regarding the greater picture.</p>
<p>If I learned that the percentage of HIV-infection in the public blood supply had dropped, it would give me cheer, but I would not say, “This level of HIV infected blood has reached an acceptable level.” Similarly, seeing this drop in the number of firms on the Reg SHO list and the number of failed shares brings me cheer, but does not make me think the game is won. In particular, until we have data on failures in the other nooks and crannies of the system (broker-level netting, pre-netting, Stock Borrow Program, ex-clearing and off-shore failures) I cannot celebrate victory. However, yes I do think that the rule changes put in place during the latter part of last year made stock manipulation harder, and people have to be more sophisticated to do it.</p>
<p>Ultimately, what has to happen is that we go to requirements for pre-borrow and hard-delivery. That is what it will take to really end things. Incidentally, that is where the discourse was some months ago when it log-jammed within the SEC: on one side, the good guys arguing for pre-borrow and hard-delivery; on the other side, SIFMA and the Managed Funds Association arguing against them (on the grounds that if they were forced to stop doing that thing they have all along sworn they were not doing, it would dramatically affect liquidity). I believe (and have a source from within the SEC who tells me) that the current debate over the uptick rule was largely manufactured to shift the discourse. It is a red herring.<br />
Respectfully,<br />
Patrick Byrne</p>
<p>Thank you for your prompt reply.<br />
Is there evidence available on the scale of the “failures in the other nooks and crannies of the system (broker-level netting, pre-netting, Stock Borrow Program, ex-clearing and off-shore failures)” that you refer to? Netting sounds as if it removes the possibility of manipulation. Is there a reason to think otherwise?<br />
Floyd Norris<br />
Dear Floyd,<br />
First, just to make sure you know what I am talking about, I am sending you this section from an essay I wrote last August 3rd:</p>
<p>Let us look at where these unsettled trades can reside within the piping of the “factory” that is our nation’s stock settlement system, The Depository Trust &amp; Clearing Company (“DTCC”). I will use Goldman and Morgan as hypothetical examples only.</p>
<p>“Desked trades” – Imagine Goldman takes your order for 1,000 shares of stock, but stashes your order in a desk and sends you statements saying that you have those 1,000 shares in your account (and use your money towards the $10 billion they pay themselves at the end of the year for being so clever). They have written a CDF to you without your knowledge: there is a 1,000 share failure-to-deliver to you at Goldman (which no one else knows about, incidentally).</p>
<p>“Pre-netting” &#8211; Goldman has one client sell 5,000 shares and another buys 3,000. The seller never delivers. Goldman “pre-nets” the trades before submitting them to the DTCC. Hence, the DTCC sees only 2,000 shares of the failure.</p>
<p>“CNS netting” &#8211; Goldman submits to the DTCC’s Continuous Net Settlement system that it sold 2,000 shares that it does not deliver. Imagine Morgan Stanley was on the other side of that particular trade. But maybe Morgan has a client who sold 1,000 to a Goldman client, and which that Morgan client failed-to-deliver. The DTCC nets the two trades, and therefore sees just 1,000 shares of failure (Goldman to Morgan).</p>
<p>“Stock Borrow Program” (“SBP”) &#8211; The DTCC looks at that 1,000 share failure, and says, “We have 400 shares we can loan Goldman from our Stock Borrow Program”, i.e., from the accounts of other BD’s within the DTCC. That reduces the failures it sees to 600.</p>
<p>“Ex-clearing” &#8211; Suppose Goldman and Morgan apply to the DTCC to move 500 of those fails ex-clearing, and the DTCC approves. Those 500 FTD’s are turned into a derivative contract between Goldman and Morgan. As a private contract, it is not regulated by the SEC, and the DTCC does not even know when that contract gets cleaned up, if ever.</p>
<p>“Offshore Failures” – Suppose someone sells 1,000 shares into this market from a foreign offshore exchange? There is a different terminology to describe such failures, and therefore the data is hard to get to. What is clear, however, is that there is little pressure to clean up failures among exchanges.</p>
<p>In this example, there are 100 failures at the CNS level. Yet there were 7,000 failures throughout the system. Therefore, we should remember that, however many unsettled equity trades there are at the CNS level, it is likely to be a fraction, and maybe a quite tiny fraction, of the total unsettled trades in the system.</p>
<p>What is the ratio of total fails in the system to those trapped in the CNS system? No one seems to know (and in fact, while the individual pieces of data are known individually, I strongly suspect that no one party has the bird’s eye view of how many of these there are at all levels). The estimates I am told range from 3 to 15. For ease I will refer to this as, “The Iceberg Principle” and the ratio of total failures to CNS failures as “I”.</p>
<p>So how big a problem is this?</p>
<p>∙The last reported size of the failures-to-deliver at the CNS level are $8.7 billion.</p>
<p>∙By Iceberg Principle, total failures = I X $8.7 billion ≈ $30 to $120 billion.</p>
<p>∙By Feynman Principle, total cost to cover = F X I X $8.7b = F X ($30 to $120 billion).</p>
<p>So respectfully, Wall Street, I believe you are Oak Ridge, Tennessee, blithely going about your jobs at the factory, taking for granted “the piping” that is our settlement system. I believe you have manufactured, and are sitting squarely on top of, a financial atomic bomb. That’s not good for you, of course, and if it goes critical, America is downwind.</p>
<p>Second: So now your questions are: Doesn’t netting remove the possibility of manipulation? And, What evidence is there regarding the size of failures in those crevices?</p>
<p>a) Netting does not remove the possibility of manipulation, but masks it instead. Assume Goldman has a client selling 1,000 shares of stock ABC, and Morgan has a client who buys those 1,000 shares, but the shares never deliver. However, Morgan has another client who sells 1,000 shares, and Goldman has one who buys those 1,000, but they also never deliver. In total, there have been 2,000 shares sold but not delivered. However, by pre-netting the brokers’ fails, those failures disappear. Collectively the two sellers have weighed down the market with 2,000 shares of phantom stock, but the netting makes 0 fails show at the DTCC.</p>
<p>b) What is the evidence supporting my claims regarding the size of the failures in those other crevices? I am 100% confident of my claims because I possess incontrovertible proof that, for one particular stock whose name for legal reasons I cannot disclose (but you may be able to guess), the failures maintained by justone broker injust the ex-clearing crevice have been, at times, greater than the sum total of the failures showing up in the CNS system: Thus to me, this is a settled question.</p>
<p>For one not in a position to review such evidence, however, you will have to do what I have done, which is, interview people in the settlement industry, find out where trade failures can persist, and for how long, and why. I think any fair-minded researcher will quickly be told of how much slop there is in these stock settlement niches, how easy it is to take things ex-clearing, how deep the offshore failures run, and so forth. Then the fair-minded researcher will try to get some data from the SEC, or DTCC, and will discover that he is stonewalled on even the most basic information, a fact which would, I think, raise the suspicions of that fair-minded researcher. Indeed, this is where some members of your esteemed profession have rubbed me raw, because instead of saying, “Why can’t the Establishment release the data, if there is really nothing there?” (as until a few years ago I would have expected any journalist to reason), instead almost all of them have said, “Well, I agree there is evidence of settlement failures, but the Establishment says there’s no problem, and they won’t release the data to show me one way or another, so I’ll just stop digging.” After all, remember that we are not debating the properties of some newly-discovered subatomic particles: this data is knowable, and is in fact, known. Good luck trying to get anyone to release it to you (without filing the kind of massive, one-in-a-lifetime lawsuit against an entire industry, as I have done).</p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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