My Posts of Yesteryear

    Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:32 pm
    Post subject: Back by popular demand – my posts of yesteryear

    Hi folks.

    Sorry for the long absence: I decided to use this board sparingly, and only when I had worthwhile announcements, rather than just writing to fill up a blog (as some do). I do have some announcements coming (as our new site header suggests), but I will leave them for another day.

    It pleased me to learn recently that some weeks ago a financial blogger of sorts was complaining that I had taken down the posts that preceded “Take 5 With Patrick.” I had no idea he was such an admirer, and regret the discomfort I seem to have caused him.The truth is, as you know, I am under federal investigation, of sorts, anyway: I have accused elements of the SEC of being puppets of Wall Street, they are starting to wake up and snoop around into the issues I am fighting to raise. I cannot quite tell if they are looking into my allegations, or looking into a way to silence me. Maybe a little of both. In any case, one of the things I had to do comply with the SEC’s discovery requests was to round up all my message board posts. I asked a pal to do that and burn them onto a CD, and then I restarted this new board without carrying them all over. I thought it would be cleaner that way.I had no idea of the consternation I was going to cause this blogger: as I said, I wish I had known what a fan I had before I took the old ones down. So I decided to repost them: unfortunately, they had all been turned into Adobe files, and I needed some time to convert them back. I have done so, and will repost them all below, if only for the curious. I am not going to take the time to reformat them to their original look and feel, and certainly suggest that no one (other than those who apparently obsess about me, such as the blogger in question) take the time to wade through them all.Sincere there are 25 pages, I will break them up into numerous posts.And to the blogger who missed these so: thanks so much for bringing to my attention how much you missed these. A researcher at a well-known publication has told me that 93% of this fellow’s blogs concern me in some way. Some would find that attention a little creepy, but I, for one, am flattered.

    Regards all,

    Patrick


    Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:11 am
    Post subject: just some small updates

    Dear Colleagues,

    I write to report to you on several developments.

    1) As you may remember, we were running at around 22,000 – 25,000 listings until the day we had our free listing day. At that point they jumped to around 150,000.

    2) As expected, as they sold through the number of total listings gradually declined towards its earlier level. Still, that spurt did a couple good things for us.

    a. Sometimes the best way to tune an engine is to gun it and see where it first starts breaking down. By having a 6X increase in our level of listings we were able to uncover and fix some shortcomings. As I have mentioned in an earlier posting, Oracle was terrific in this regard, sending out a killer team to help us do this. We resolved those issues, and the site has been running far more smoothly than ever.
    b.Once they began declining, our listings declined to around 27,000 listings before stabilizing, so some of that increase stuck to our ribs.

    3) We are now ready to do it again. As you have perhaps heard, we are going to have another free listing day Wednesday, December 15. Pile in! We want to see it get back to the earlier high-water mark, and surpass it even. My belief is our systems are going to hold up really well this time.

    4) There is a third party listing service who is in the final stages of testing their tool with our API. It will be live soon (but not before Wedensday). I really look forward to our announcement when it comes live. Must run. I hope everyone’s holidays are going well.

    Humbly submitted,

    Patrick


    Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:11 pm
    Post subject: thank you

    Dear Colleagues,

    I have much for which I owe thanks. You folks, as-yet-unmet denizens of our auction tab, are high on my list.A year ago we decided to do auctions. Though long before that I was anxious to do them, I needed to wait until we had the cycles to develop this, and until I had the general (Brilliant Holly) to lead the charge.

    For all that time I watched eBay, convinced that the more dominant they became, the greater would be our odds. When we launched auctions the Wall Street boys thought I was nuts. “Compete with eBay?!?! Are you crazy?” was their predictable response.

    All my life I have seen good new ideas met with derision and rejected as “obviously” dumb. The doubters forget that if the wisdom of a new idea were obvious, others would likely have thought of it first.Your reception has been intriguing. We expected a hard time convincing sellers of the advantage of helping us build a legitimate competitor to eBay. In fact, of course, it took your community about one day to figure that out (far faster than Wall Street!)

    Since then, the support and tolerance you have shown us has been amazing. I understand from these boards that customer service (which is housed in a facility twenty miles away from our HQ) has not always been satisfying. Two weeks ago we decided to expand our auction customer service, but rather than doing it at that remote facility, we went out and hired a 25 people, and since then have been training them as auction specialists.

    On Monday they start work at HQ, in an office across the hall from Holly, Sam, and Byron, so the loop between your needs and our auction executives will be much tighter and we will, I hope, better meet your expectations.This autumn, while some on this board were screaming that we were uncommunicative, it was because people were working around the clock (literally, sleeping and showering here) to finish up some piece of code (like O-lister). So it was with our API’s: we needed to get them released to the world so that folks like Infopia and many others could go to work interfacing with our system. Sometimes, when we were non-responsive, we actually just had our heads under the hood. Believe me, we hated it when we saw auctions crashing, the “triangle page” being served, and so on. There simply was no way to debug all the code until we launched and put stress on the system. But the long-timers here will agree, I think, that things have greatly improved over three months: for example, while the first free listing day (late November) caused us to stumble, the ones in December were pulled off with ease (our action CPU’s now clock at 10%: they are just purring along). Less time fighting fires means more time to build the features you want.

    In closing, I want to thank you again: we, a thousand strangers, have this odd, symbiotic relationship with each other. As always, I am in your debt, and I remain,Your humble servant,

    Patrick


    Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:09 pm
    Post subject: February 20 -THE MOMENT TO STRIKE. HELP CONTACT EBAY BUYERS

    Colleagues,

    My SITuation REPort:

    1. Listings:

    a. Friday, February 18, eBay raised their fees.
    b. We were already 30%+ off of eBay, but against their new fees we drop to about 40-50% off. As a bonus, we dropped fees another 52% on February 18, for one month, and are giving credits.
    c. Also on Friday, we went live with ChannelAdvisor.com . For 60 days, anyone listing on our site using ChannelAdvisor’s tool will see free postings (“big thing brewing” I referred to last week.)
    d. As a result of these dynamics, our listings have soared from 50k to 90k in two days. The quality of listings is excellent.

    2. Advertising.

    a. When we launched we thought it was going to take us awhile to show eBay Powersellers that their interests aligned with ours: “You will not get a fair shake from eBay until a legitimate competitor develops, and we want to be that competitor, so help us.”
    i. Thus, our TV commercial promoting auctions, and our radio commercial, were designed to convince eBay SELLERS to give us a shot.
    ii. In fact, of course, it took the community of eBay Powersellers about 48 hours to figure that out.
    b. Thus, we have been rewriting our radio and TV ads to focus more on drawing eBay BUYERS to our site. I sought and received excellent advice from this message board, advice I incorporated into our new buyer-oriented radio ad, and the new TV ad whose filming we are arranging.
    c. Starting on Friday, all radio and TV ads switched to focus on auctions. All radio ads are the new, buyer-oriented ad you helped me write. We switched all TV advertising to the auction ad as well (on
    cable stations: we are still fighting to get the networks to play it). For the next N weeks, all advertising will be focused on auctions, to try to make this catch fire.

    3. HOW YOU CAN HELP. We (you and Overstock) have one chance to make this work. You gain, we gain. Given the confluence of eBay’s fee hike, our drop, ChannelAdvisor, and our focusing all advertising
    on auctions, now is that chance.
    a. Listen to our new radio ad. I tried to hit all the points you wanted.
    Let me know if it is too wordy. Post any edits you want to see.
    b. EACH OF YOU KNOW THOUSANDS (IF NOT MORE) EBAY BUYERS. NOW IS THE TIME TO CONTACT THEM AND TELL THEM TO TRY OVERSTOCK AUCTIONS.
    i. Our listings are respectable in quantity (» 100,000) and quality.
    ii. Our technology is working smoothly.
    iii. Our auctions customer service department is staffed, trained, and broken in.

    In sum, if there were ever a time to strike, now is it.

    We are doing our part. We built and tuned the site, staffed customer service, cut fees, did a deal with ChannelAdvisor to get good listings, and redirected $500k/week of advertising to focus on auctions. PLEASE DO “YOUR PART” BY TELLING THOUSANDS OF EBAY BUYERS TO TRY US NOW. You’d be doing us a favor, I know, but you are doing yourselves a favor too.

    Your humble servant,

    Patrick


    Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:52 pm
    Post subject: Fortiter in re, suaviter in modo

    Dear O-Auctions Community,

    It has been a year since I wrote here. I apologize.I have been busy, but that was not the real reason I stayed away. I decided to take my act to a more public forum, and also, to distance my crusade from my role as president of Overstock.So I left here and moved over to Fool.com. I have been in and out of Fool.com, sometimes taking a month or two off, but pretty much sticking there.Also, I have been doing a lot of behind-the-scenes writing that you occasionally see pop up in other blogs. That was all a mistake. I wish I had just stayed here, if for no other reason than nobody separates my role as president of Overstock.com from my attempt to reform the market.Also, if I had stayed it might have drawn traffic here for you buyers and sellers.

    There is another good reason for coming back: you folks know by now how I feel about the financial media. I think it is corrupted and betrays America.There are Tools of Satan who explicitly try to corrupt it, in fact. And when I started appearing on Fool.com, and started gaining traction, the tools showed up and started playing the same games they do elsewhere: lies, “Do you still beat your wife?” questioning, and endless, endless clogging in an effort to wipe out any good material.

    So it was a mistake to leave. I am back home. I am going to seal my return by going and finding the choicest writings I have posted elsewhere on the Internet in the last year, and bring them back and repost them here. Good to see you all again.

    Warm regards to all,

    Patrick


    Post Date: Wed May 31, 2006 8:49 pm
    Post subject: More debate with Mann, Fool February 15, 2006

    Dear Bill,

    If it please the Court, I would like to respond to your post on Feb. 9
    (“Re: Guest Appearance: A Brief Reply to Bill Mann”). My apologies for
    not getting back to you sooner; I have been busy selling toasters.
    I would agree that the SEC’s decision to grandfather old fails is curious,
    and contemptible. It’s also extremely predictable. One must ask one’s
    self “qui benes?”

    As one who has let many an unedited typo slide through, I should avoid
    saying, “You mean, ‘qui bono.’” But I am too much the schoolmarm, I
    fear.

    The people who are being screwed the hardest for heavily shorted
    companies are not the shareholders — these are largely static short
    positions. The people who really get screwed are the short sellers who
    hold legitimate positions.

    A) Are not shareholders who suffer capital losses also getting screwed?
    Let me break that down into two questions:
    B) If a shareholder suffers a large capital loss due to naked shorting, has
    he been screwed?
    C) Do you think there are any shareholders anywhere who have suffered
    such losses?

    If your answers to B and C are, “yes,” then so must be your answer to
    A. If you would answer “no” to either B or C or both, I would love to
    know which one(s) and why.

    Why would the brokers cover, or clear? They’ve got those shares short
    in a heavily shorted position for free.

    Another point of agreement—it’s the broker/dealers who are carrying out
    the naked short selling. I don’t recall explicitly alleging that hedge funds
    were the ones naked shorting, though I believe they play a key role and
    benefit through collusion. Did you watch my presentations on sell you a call at today’s price for $1.”
    a) Now, if the stock goes up $10, the BD makes $10 on the call and $2
    for selling the puts, loses $10 on the short and a cost of $1 for the call.
    He comes out $1 ahead.
    b) Now, if the stock goes down $10, the BD makes $10 on the short and
    $2 for selling the puts, loses $10 on the put and a cost of $1 for the call.
    He comes out $1 ahead.
    i) Lemma A: In sum, the BD comes out $1 ahead.
    c) Note that if the stock goes up $10, XYZ loses $10 on the call and $2
    for buying the puts, but makes $1 for selling the call. He loses ($1 plus
    the gain in the stock).
    d) Note that if the stock goes down $10, XYZ makes $10 on the put and
    $1 for selling the call, but the put cost him $2. He makes the amount
    the stock dropped minus $1.
    ii) Lemma B: Note that the last two sentences would also precisely
    describe the economics of this situation, “XYZ pays $1 to short one
    share.”
    e) Lemma A + Lemma B = The BD rented for $1 his market maker
    exemption to XYZ so he could naked short 1 share.
    There are other variations, of course. Imagine that when the BD naked
    shorts its shares, the buyer is XYZ. Now XYZ has matched puts and
    shares. (What does he care that they were naked shorted to him? His
    brokerage statement says he has them). Now he can sell them, loan
    them to a friend who shorts them, etc. etc.This reminds me philosophically of Hannah Arendt’s book, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil. Of course, that book concerns a much graver matter. But among the brilliant ideas developed
    in that book was her analysis of the moral responsibility for the
    Holocaust got distributed by a system across a bunch of civil servants:
    was the guy who created the train schedules culpable? Yes, somewhat.
    Was the guy who worked in the chemical factory making precursors to
    the gas culpable? Yes, somewhat. The system spread the culpability
    around so that a lot of Germans played tiny contributory roles, while
    relatively few where completely monstrous. It was genocide conducted
    not by so much by monsters as by civil servants: hence, the “banality”
    of the evil.

    Imagine a system such as the matched-put, broker-dealer exemption
    loopholing system described above. Take it a step further, adn imagine
    that it is one crooked broker-dealer in BVI doing a piece of it, then a
    white shoe firm taking the shares thus created and loaning them out
    again, etc. etc. The system would have no one in it with really unclean
    hands, but a lot of people in it with an unclean thumb or finger or palm.
    I’ll make a deal with you, Patrick. The next time you are in Washington,
    I will be more than happy to go with you to the SEC and we can ask
    them this question together.

    What question? It sounds to me like the SEC has already taken an
    interest: subpoenas, investigations, etc. I suggest all read about it at the
    website run by the dangerous blowhard, www.thesanitycheck.com . His
    information about the DTCC, the formal investigation, and the
    subpoenas going out to certian hedge funds, is true.
    The volatility issue is garbage.

    I disagree (do you know this via divine revelation, or is there an
    argument?) In fact, it may be the one honest statement the SEC has
    made. If just a fraction of the suspected naked short selling does occur,
    then we are headed for a market-wide game of musical chairs. That is
    not me saying that, it is the SEC saying it. The SEC may not want to be
    the one to stop the music.

    This, by the way, is why I think that the impact of naked shorting is
    relatively minor, as compared to the vast number of pump and dump
    scams that take place in the microcap universe of the public markets.
    Why the SEC allows these capital-destroying cesspools to operate
    without real oversight is something that is beyond my comprehension.
    Let’s take the 500,000 number presented in the FOIA request.
    Obviously, now that we know Rocker & Associates are the 9th largest
    shareholders, at 590,000 shares. I use that particular item because we
    are reasonably certain that Rocker is short shares as well. So we thus
    know some details of the short and failed positions as of Aug 1 (which
    preceded the Rocker disclosure of an increased stake, but the numbers
    aren’t the issue here — the scale is.)

    Remember, the 550,000 was the number of failed short sales. It was not
    the number of failed long sales. Read the SEC FOIA letter closely: they
    make that distinction. Why might that be important? Because on
    November 30 I bought 50,000 shares in 150 transactions. None settled
    for a month. I have the trading data on 144 of those trades. Every single
    one was marked a long sale. Not a single one was marked as a short
    sale, though it turned out in retrospect that they were (that is, they
    were short sales which could not settle, hence no good locate had been
    made, hence they were naked short sales).

    Takeaway #1: 97% of the sales that day were naked short.
    Takeaway #2: None of those unsettled trades would have shown up in
    that SEC FOIA response.

    For the record, I believe the unsettled trades in our stock now number in
    the millions, easily.

    1. This short interest number is gross, not net. It doesn’t build in the
    amount of shares that people are long in contra accounts.
    2. It also counts all of the clearinghouse shares — the ones that the big
    wirehouses will naked short in order to keep an orderly market — which
    is both legal and what they are supposed to do. It additionally counts
    the shares that these clearing houses have in order to clear any options
    positions of their customers.

    Bill – Respectfully, this is all words words words. The market maker
    exemption is a good faith, keep-liquidity-in-the-market exemption, not a
    sell-and-don’t-deliver-for-a-year exemption. Come on.

    3. And in Overstock’s, and many other companies’ cases, the short
    interest will be pumped up as a result of a hedge against other financial
    instruments issued by the companies themselves. With an $86 million
    convertible, Overstock has, if you believe that the amount is fully deltahedged,
    some 2 million shares shorted that aren’t really shorted. But
    each one of these shorted shares increases the float, regardless of the
    rationale for their origin.

    Respectfully, this is just more hand-waving. First, the right number is
    $77 million and about 400,000 shares delta hedged. Second, that gives
    a reason why someone would short shares: it does not speak to the
    issue of unsettled trades. I am sure there are all kinds of reasons people
    might short our shares, including buying our converts and hedging
    them, as you suggest: this is unrelated to the question of the existence
    and magnitude of unsettled trades in our stock.

    So that’s it in a nutshell — the system is corrupt, but the protected
    parties are the brokers, who have a license to hold onto securities they
    have no intention of clearing — because they’re the equivalent of options
    without expiry.

    Agree—it’s the brokers. You got it.

    But then there are other elements that simply don’t make sense to me
    about the short conspiracy, beyond the lack of a barking dog for past
    transactions where there were large short interests.

    1. Capital is lazy. Overstock (specifically) to my mind is a hardened
    target. It’s also huge, with a fairly liquid security. (My shares, btw,
    cleared in 2 days.) Why would a conspiracy target THIS company. It
    makes no sense.

    First, “conspiracy” is your word, not mine. For one who has objected to
    others exaggerating Seth’s positions then attacking them as straw men,
    I would hope you would be more careful.

    Second, folks tell me that the miscreants came after Overstock.com
    when we were a smaller company, just before a big push in revenue.
    Perhaps they thought we would require more secondaries to sustain
    such growth, guaranteeing an egress. Perhaps the plan was to leverage
    the dot-com stigma and tank this with an SEC investigation or Class
    Action suit and barrage of Herb articles, as has been done so many
    times in the past. I upped the ante so that they can’t get out, thus the
    only option is to throw the kitchen sink at me and this company. But it
    wasn’t a hardened target when Herb first started hitting it and the SI
    climbed significantly, so there’s your first clue.

    2. Why, if there are a list of thousands of companies that have been
    destroyed by naked shorting, is the list confined by name to Sedona,
    which, once again, took on death spiral financing? That’s not exactly the
    stuff of a large scale conspiracy. Oh, sure, there’s JAG Media,
    Nanopierce, and others that point to naked shorts. The fact that these
    companies were penniless capital destroyers has to be relevant. Those
    are the kinds of companies I’d like to short.

    We just watched DAL get crushed. They had a lousy economic issue, but
    they also were a huge company on the SHO list until they dropped off
    and went bankrupt. I imagine that many of the companies that are
    destroyed by the practice have other issues; the miscreants are clever
    and there is generally plausible deniability. If your agenda is to maintain
    it is NEVER naked short selling that contributed to a company’s
    destruction, then you can ALWAYS find other reasons for the
    destruction. The miscreants would be insane to pick companies that
    were not already vulnerable–it’s one thing to not be a strong swimmer
    when your boat goes down, quite another to throw the victim an anvil
    rather than a life vest, quite another to shoot him as he swims for shore
    and say, “He would not have made it anyway.”

    Nothing is ever black and white. There are lists of companies that have
    been badly damaged and have been on the SHO list for months if not a
    year (recall that there was no way of even proving any naked short
    selling until the last 12 months or so). A year and a half ago, the mantra
    was still that it didn’t exist. Hard to prove that something for which all
    evidence is kept secret, caused the destruction of a company, isn’t it?
    Perhaps if all the data were made available then we wouldn’t have to
    engage in these angels on the head of a pin discussion–we could just
    pull up the total FTDs for a given company and end the discussion. By
    design we cannot, and that is problem. And we cannot because the SEC
    says that if they made the information public it would cause too much
    “volatility.” Hard to square that with your sense that this must be minor.
    3. In many countries, naked shorting is quite legal — most notably
    Canada. Why is there not a vast swath of destroyed Canadian
    companies? If the conspiracy works in a market with trillions of invested
    capital, it would work much better in less liquid markets. Again, capital
    is lazy, and it is fungible. If naked shorting companies to death in
    Germany were profitable, there would be tons of pools of money doing
    this very thing.

    Again, there you go with your “conspiracy” again.

    I am not aware of anyone claiming that naked short selling companies in
    Germany is profitable. Using Germany as an international arbitrage
    pretence for not delivering your shares in the US is, on the other hand,
    quite profitable. Did you know that one broker listed all the companies in
    Berlin, and paid $12K per company for the privilege? And yet most never
    trade more than a handful of shares every couple of months. What do
    YOU think the financial incentive was?

    By the way, the broker that did that used to own 10% of Ladenburg
    Thalman, who was big in toxic convertibles. Isn’t that a coincidence. Ha.
    Incidentally, there is another big name from teh Den of Thieves days
    with a significant tie to Ladenburg: any guesses?

    As to why doesn’t it happen more in Canada, I do not know, but I can
    guess. One explanation is that the grass is much greener here in the US;
    there are far more companies to savage and, as the case of Elgindy
    proved, there are highly organized networks that do it here. Why bother
    with some illiquid Vancouver penny stock when you can take down a
    $100 million dollar biotech here? There is way more cash to be had
    doing that than taking down some $3 million mining company.
    Another, more subtle, explanation made by an economist I know has to
    do with a form of moral hazard. My friend argues that the pretense of
    effective institutions is more dangerous than no institutions at all. In the
    case of naked short selling, the public assumes the SEC/DTCC are doing
    their job of regulating securities markets and few question participation
    in those markets, at least not for reasons connected to clearing and
    settlement. As a result, capital is circulated blindly. Perhaps in Canada, if
    one knows no cop is on the beat then one avoids dark alleys.

    Incidentally, Canadian companies are not immune if they trade on US
    markets. I know Fairfax Financial Holdings’ Prem Watsa. FFH has been
    on the SHO list for over 100 days and attacked by the usual miscreants
    in the public sphere (including TheStreet.com). Two weeks ago he let me
    know that a suburban with black windows had pulled up in front of his
    office, four men came out and harassed people, etc.

    So sure, I think that the SEC is hiding something. I suspect that they’re
    protecting someone. But I don’t think it’s what is being contemplated by
    those who believe that this is a massive, massive scandal that is
    destroying millions of lives.

    Operation Bermuda Short gave us a glimpse of how it works, Elgindy
    gave us more info, RYCO gave us some more. So is your position that
    this goes on but can’t be that big a problem? I’d like for you to be right.
    But we—myself included– don’t have enough data to know one way or
    another. I’ve simply noticed that this giant pink elephant has wandered
    into the room and certain people are doing everything they can to
    convince others that it is anything but a pink elephant. It has reached a
    rather insane degree, in my view.

    So in sum, my answer is, You might be right, or…. you might NOT be
    right. Usually the best way to handle such forks in the road is to get
    data. That is, after all, the whole Western tradition. We ned not take
    things on faith: we can get facts. So let me ask you two simple
    questions, sir:

    1) What would you consider to be convincing proof of massive unsettled
    trades in the system?
    2) How do you propose we get that proof?

    If you answer to #1 is a hurdle so high that your answer to #2 is, “We
    cannot,” then you are tacitly admitting that yours is a position not open
    to evidence or argument: it becomes merely, “To know this we’d have to
    know X, we cannot get X so no discussion or argument can sway me.”
    The position is not without its merits: like solipsim, it is internally
    consistent, for example, but you cannot go anywhere with it.

    Your humble servant,
    Patrick Byrne
    hannibal


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:50 pm
    Post subject: Laying Waste to a Fool of a Shill 2/21/06

    A shill appeared many months ago on Fool.com trying to forever quibble
    about the meaning of obvious words and evidence. He went by
    “UsuallyReasonable”. I was responding to him here.

    UR,

    Congrats on getting through another post raising nothing but off-point
    issues cleverly disguised as unrelated matters.

    My claim about the Boni paper is that it confronts a strain of the Party
    Line that runs, “No system is perfect, all systems have error, the FTD’s
    in the system present the kind of random error that one would expect.”
    Against this argument, Boni points out that the errors are not in fact
    random, but correlate with stocks which are expensive to borrow. If the
    dogs are eating the stock certificates, they must be very smart dogs who
    know just to eat the ones that are for hard to borrow stocks. Since that
    seems unlikely, the other explanation must be that the FTD’s are
    strategic.

    That, in a hutshell, is the sum of Boni’s argument. It is precisely what I
    presented Boni’s argument as saying.

    To your credit, you get that much right, but then wave your hands
    around while panting about the deeper implications.

    Now look at what he does not say. Does he mention Boni’s conclusion,
    which is contained right in the abstract, that the pattern of FTDs is
    consistent with the hypothesis that they are being done to avoid the cost
    of borrowing the stock? That THAT is the “deliberate intent”? No he does
    not. Never does he mention the cost of borrowing, despite the fact that
    Boni’s paper points directly to that cost as the reason for the “strategy”
    in these strategic fails.

    What you fail to mention is why any of this complaint is germane. I
    claimed Boni used statistical methods to confirm that the FTD’s were
    happening deliberately, and you admit that her methods do confirm it:
    everything else is confused hand-waving.

    Put differently, there are a lot of things that I do not mention: for
    example, I do not mention that the stocks which are expensive to
    borrow are likely to be stocks which have come under the kind of attack
    which I am discussing, so Boni’s evidence supports both the hypothesis
    that people FTD in order to avoid paying high rebate rates, and that they
    FTD in stocks which are hard to borrow because they have run out of
    room to bring shorting pressure on a company illegally. I did not bring
    tha tup because it was not necessary to: all I needed from Boni’s work
    was her conclusion, that the FTD’s were in fact strategic, and not
    random.

    Readers, note that not every single line in which I spoke of Boni adheres
    precisely to this point. Plese review the quote of mine that UR has typed
    out, in his message, and please witness how it states precisely what I
    claim it states.

    UR, all you have done, once gain, is taken some minor point that is not
    even a point, and then waved your hands a lot and thrown in a lot of
    rhetoric and, I suppose, hope no one sees through it. Which, as far as I
    can tell form the letters I get, rarely happens: the public is smarter than
    you shills presume. It gets kind of funny, because while you guys will
    quote me at length in some areas, you invariably avoid quoting me in
    what should be the crux of your argument. You did it again in your
    message. I’ll show you where, amidst the rhetoric:

    Do you wonder why Byrne doesn’t mention this? He doesn’t mention it
    because it does not support his argument — and he knows it.
    More slime, no substance.

    Some people would call that shading the truth; others would call it lying.
    What would you call it, Grandson?

    How about, “Using words precisely in reason and debate”?

    Rather than give Boni’s actual conclusion, Byrne leaves open the strong
    implication that Boni concurs with him that the failures are being done
    “strategically” to defraud Grandma, because of evil intent, because of
    the desire to run a company’s stock down to zero.

    Does everyone see the clumsy sleight-of-hand here? “Byrne leaves open
    the strong implication that the failures are done strategically to defraud
    Grandma.” Now where exactly do I say that? Where exactly do I
    attribute to Boni anything but a point of view regarding the statistical
    distribution of FTD’s? Surely not in the lengthy quote UR included above.
    Again, it is funny how these guys will quote me at length where it does
    not matter, but will always gloss over what should be the crux of their
    argument. That is because they deal in prevariaction and lies.
    He implies that Boni concurs with his preceding assertions, which is so
    far from being true as to be laughable.

    Again, more assertion by divine revelation. I “imply”? It seems to me
    that I presented Boni’s research concisely and accurately, as UR even
    admits when he is not whining and waving his arms. (Incidentally, I
    doubt very much that UR has any idea what Boni does in fact concur
    with, judging from his post.)

    Again, ask yourself — why did he not present her conclusion, if her
    paper is so fundamental to the case?

    Boni’s conclusion is that the distribution of fails shows that they are not
    happening randomly, but show design. That and only that is the position
    which I attirubte to her, and UR admits that this is the only position that
    I attribute to her (the quote of mine that you included in your post
    supports my position, UR: if you have some quote that belies this, UR,
    feel free to post it, but try to avoid the clairvoyant “Byrne leaves open
    the strong implication” and “Byrne implies” stuff).

    To the general reader, I hope these examples are starting to add up to
    something. Why is it we see the same hacks day after day coming back
    and always missing the same salient points, always misquoting me, or
    telling us what they think I must be implying? I simply think it is
    because they are being instructed to do this. It could be that their are as
    consistently foolish as they pretend, but it is easier to believe that they
    are just compliant shills.

    Patrick


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:51 pm
    Post subject: And then burying the shill 2/22/06UR,

    I would call this, “pettifogging,” but pettifogs usually have some molehill
    of which they are trying to make a mountain, whereas you have nothing
    but a string of words which you seem to hope will bore the reader into
    submission.

    This is really quite simple, and I will break it down for you. The chain of
    reasoning went like this (Syntax: Party Line vs. reality):

    1) The Party Line was that stock manipulation through failures-to-deliver
    could not be going on in our capital markets, but Professor Finnerty has
    prepared an elegant mathematical proof that it can occur within our
    current regulatory regime.
    2) The Party Line was that, if they do exist, the failures-to-deliver could
    be explained as the result of random error in an imperfect system, but
    Dr. Boni’s paper showed that the distribution of the FTD’s showed they
    occurred “strategically” in patterns that were not consistent with random
    error.
    3) The Party Line was that, if they exist and were not random, then the
    failures-to-deliver are rare and appropriately handled by safeguards in
    the system, but the paper by the four Wharton and UNC economists
    showed they were “pervasive” and that in 99.8% of the cases the
    safeguards did not kick in.
    4) The Party Line was that, if they exist and are not random and are not
    handled by the safeguards in the system, they are still not pervasive
    enough to have a major impact on (or pose a significant risk to) the
    system. But the letter by Dr. Shapiro discredits this thoroughly, as does
    the SEC’s own website, where they explain their decision to grandfather
    and refuse to disclose the size of the FTD’s out of a fear of the
    “volatility” that would result.

    That chain of reasoning is simple and straightforward. You have not
    pointed out any place I misrepresented any of these sources, but
    instead, have pointed out that one of the sources (Boni) posits an
    explanation (avoidance of high cost of borrow) that is not my own (stock
    manipulation). This point is misguided in two ways. First, nothing in my
    argument drew upon Boni’s explanation for the behavior she observed,
    but only upon the phenomenon whose existence she proved via
    statistical analysis. Second, Boni’s explanation is not only consistent with
    my explanation, it goes hand-in-glove with my explanation (miscreants
    use FTD’s to manipulate a stock when the borrow is all used up, and
    when the borrow is all used up you will find high rebates on the borrow).
    In the fact of this line of reasoning, which is really quite simple and
    direct and not beyond that average 16 year old, I think, you are simply
    throwing around a lot of hoo-hah’s and what-for’s about what your
    inferences were, what you think “any rational person” would think, etc.
    None of it is germane. The chain of reasoning runs as above; you have
    not said anything to dispute any of the links; you claim that I leave out
    some of the conclusions and work of Boni’s paper whereas the truth is I
    leave out most of the work of all the papers; you claim that this detail is
    telling when in fact it is trivial; and you fail to see how even the portion
    of Boni’s paper to which you draw attention not only does not
    “contradict” me, but rather, it goes hand-in-glove with my own
    argument.

    So yes, sadly, this simply looks like more smokescreen to me. The fact
    that your arguments generally run just like this one, with lots of handwaving
    and stretching of claims over key points, inferences that you
    receive in your psychic wisdom which somehow relieve you of making
    precise, careful arguments and instead, gloss over all the key points
    some more…. yes, these mark you in my mind as an ideologue. What is
    your motivation as an ideologue? Could be money, or a dozen other
    things, or simply laziness, but in my experience ideologues are that way
    out of habit: they are ideologues because they lack motivations. Along
    with courage and integrity, for that matter: they shill, toady, and suckup
    to power because that is their nature. I’ve seen it since I was a child.
    It does not take any grand conspiracy, and your futile attempts to
    pretend that is the claim is just one more example of shilling.
    Why don’t you do something interesting, and try to answer the questions
    which Seth has been ducking for six months? I bet you’ll find some
    excuse not to.

    Sincerely,
    Patrick


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:51 pm
    Post subject: Responding to Euotrash,. another Fool 3/12/06Trash,

    Do you and your ilk really not understand yet that your simpering “Oh
    my god people are laughing at you don’t you know what are you going
    to do they’re laughing oh my god people are laughing” could never affect
    a man like me? Has that really not sunk in on you guys yet? Have you
    been paying attention at all? Have I shown any evidence of caring what
    a poodle like you laughs at?

    As far as the multiple-lending argument: the DTCC swears they do not
    let it happen. They will not describe the mechanism that they would
    need in place for it not to happen, and no one believes them when they
    say it anyway, but just for the record, your whole multiple-lending
    argument falls flat because it misses that point.

    In fact, I should point out that it is my argument, not your argument:
    though it is against the law and their stated rules, the whole NSS
    movement takes one of its main points to be precisely that such multiplelending
    does occur, and hence, the number of share entitlements can
    grow far in excess of actual shares. The actual number, incidentally, is
    not really, “infinite”: according to some, however, it is 15-20.
    “Bed & breakfasting” shares: are you familiar with that term, ET?
    Oh, by the way: you keep using the 19 million outstanding shares in
    your arguments, which is one of the things I consider them so dumb I
    do not respond normally (someone emailed me this tonight, with a
    message that “ET sure seems to hate you”). In any case, returning to
    the real world for the moment, the DTCC only has 8.7 million OSTK
    shares in its vault. We now have a reported short interest of 8.9 million:
    short interest is thus 103% of float. As far as the stated rules of the
    DTCC are concerned, we have accelerated through the speed of light.
    They have said that this situation is impossible. Now it has happened.
    Now think up some more simpering statements about my math, Trash.
    If any observer thinks there is one that is not bonehead enough that it
    deserves a response from me, just let me know.

    Patrick

    PS Incidentally, I don’t believe the 8.9 million either: I think that the
    failed short sales plus the failed long sales + ex-clearing and overseas
    fails bring our true short interest up to 22 million: some smart observers
    say I am nuts, and that it really is 60-80 million. We’ll see if I can ever
    get the DTCC to get in the ring with me.

    PPS Big story breaking next 24 hours. Stay tuned.


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:52 pm
    Post subject: Telling People to Watch 60 Minutes, Fool 3/26/06Dear Fools,
    For all who have not gotten the word, please watch 60 Minutes tonight. I
    believe that it does not even mention “Overstock.com.” However, the
    facts it presents and the story it tells are well known to me, as are the
    witnesses who will appear on camera. I expect the piece will tell
    precisely the story of which I became aware in the autumn of 2004.
    If my behavior has seemed a little strange since then, perhaps it will
    appear a bit more explicable if you watch this and reflect on the wider
    market ramifications of the behavior described. Ask yourself as you
    watch it, “These guys are making money from someone: whose money
    is being siphoned off?

    Yours,
    Patrick

    PS Remember the story you see tonight is itself just a chunk of the issue
    of the looting of the savings of Americans. But how do you get someone
    to eat an elephant? One bite at a time.


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:53 pm
    Post subject: A Poll I put to Fooldom 3/27/06After 60 Minutes ran it was possible for me to ask Fools, had I been
    doing the right thing? Here was the response I got in my poll:

    Nine months ago I went public with a Miscreant’s Ball webcast outlining
    a set of relationships among various hedge funds and reporters. Since
    then I have been called every name under the sun. In itself that never
    concerned me, but what did concern me was the complete silence of the
    non-financial media, and the insistence of the financial media (most
    notably, CNBC and WSJ) to frame the story as another, “CEO is ticked
    off his stock went down” event. Nowhere would they print the simple
    truth: that I was after a gang of thugs who I believe are robbing
    Americans blind, and I understand how they worked and could not walk
    on by any more than I could a purse snatcher. But this did not fit the
    party line and so they could not even hear it.

    Now that the story is getting unspinnable for them, and now that people
    are getting a look at the story for themselves (and I promise you, you
    have seen about 1/5 of what this is really about), I am curious to know
    your thoughts on a question I have struggled with for nine months now.

    That question is:
    Have I done the right thing?
    8% (8 Votes)
    No: Byrne, you should quit Overstock and shut up.
    7% (7 Votes)
    No: Byrne, keep running Overstock but shut up about this now.
    36% (36 Votes)
    Yes: You did the right thing, Byrne, but now leave it to the pros.
    49% (49 Votes)
    Yes: You did your civic duty, now bury these guys.

    Hannibal


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:54 pm
    Post subject: Poll I took on Fool corruption as I left, Fool 3/31/06More and more I came to feel that the Fool had been infiltrated by
    representatives of the bad guys. Too many strangers showed up and
    either quibbled over unimportant details, denied that even the most
    patent facts coutned as evidence, or more often than not, simply
    clogged (posted at high volumes) to wash out any real conversation.
    So I decided to check out the other day and return here. As I did I
    figured I would do a last poll to ask, how many others suspected that
    the Fool had been corrupted as well? There were several shills on the
    board at that time I posted the poll, adn they all immediately answered
    that I was a nut (one of the possible poll responses). But as the evening
    wore on, we got around to the point that well over 50% believed the
    Fool had been cirrupted and my antagonists there were shills. Sometime
    the next day, as I knew would happen, the shills were able to organize
    getting as many of the shills to come vote against the propoisition that
    the Fool board had been corrupted (the disparate voting by time of day
    was astonishing and not statistically likely), but even with that, fully
    36% of the Fools now believe their environment has been corrupted by
    shills.

    Not bad for just a little hobby of mine.

    Patrick

    ===================================

    Fools:

    I have always considered the Fool and especially the Gardners and Bill
    Mann decent and honorable. However, I believe the deletion of posts has
    gotten out of hand, and reflects underlying bias at the Fool.com. I will
    lay out my thinking, then ask your opinion.

    I am aware that anytime paradigms collide it becomes possible to
    question the other’s motives. So I have not beat this drum as hard as I
    might have. But from his remarkably programmatic postings here, and
    his history of bashing stocks that are on the Miscreant Shortlist, I
    believe Seth Jayson is “bent” and has an agenda (I do not know whether
    his shilling is from bribery or some other mechanism). I suspect
    UsuallyReasonable is also co-opted, and has been assigned the task of
    trying to win non-official Fools to his side as “just another interested
    poster.” I wonder about Eurotrash: occasionally he seems reasonable,
    but often it feels like his shtick is to play the, “Oh I’m really on your
    side, but just quibble quibble quibble” game.

    But I am not sure, I admit. So I wanted to ask carefully for the opinion
    of the Fools, not to insult anyone, but just to know if I were paranoid. So
    I posted a poll asking for other folks’ read on this issue, starting with
    Seth. I think this was a legitimate question for me to wonder about, and
    hence, a legitimate question for me to pose to the Fool community. Early
    reads of the poll showed that most Fools strongly suspected Seth of
    being compromised.

    The poll was taken down. It got deleted, as I am sure any posts asking
    for others’ opinions on the veracity of UR and ET would be deleted as
    well.

    I think it was illegitimate of Fool.com to remove my poll on Seth. I really
    wanted to learn something, and would have learned something were it
    not for this, as would we all have. I believe it is incredibly inappropriate
    for the Fool to own the tool of discourse, mold the tool of discourse
    through Seth, and then prohibit the one tool that would let the rest of us
    Fools communicate our perceptions without risk of distortion. It takes
    the marvelous invention that is Fooldom and opens the door to the
    possibility of it turning into just another closed circle of corruption (like
    Wall Street and its lapdog media show).

    This impression has been exacerbated by discovering the
    TeachMeSomthing is now having even fair and innocuous questions
    being deleted in favor of Seth Jayson’s histrionics.

    What do observers think?

    22% (26 Votes)
    I agree: Fool.com now corruptly protects shills and suppresses dissent
    14% (16 Votes)
    I agree: Fool now protecting shills and kills dissent, but unwittingly
    21% (25 Votes)
    I disagree: they may be shills, but Fool just wants civilit
    43% (51 Votes)
    I disagree: they are not shills, Fool is right, Byrne is a nut


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:54 pm
    Post subject: Some last news treats I left for my friends at Fool, 3/31/06
    ——————————————————————————–
    Since I believe this place has been corrupted and lost its value, I think I
    will be done with it. In parting, let me fill in a few squares for the honest
    people here. You will be reading this in the news months or years from
    now: remember, you read it here first.Herb is denying that he got access to the Gradient reports for two to
    four weeks after they had published. But on February 14, 2005 he wrote
    a report on NFI that quoted extensively from a Gradient report released
    hours earlier. The truth is, at least until recently Herb had a log-on and
    password at Gradient just like any client. This will come out in discovery.
    (Want his password?)

    Gradient’s shill Karen Hilton cannot make up her mind whether SAC
    ordered the report in question or not. This situation is so non-unique,
    the only question will be which of dozens if not hundreds of examples we
    or Biovail wish to present to our respective juries. I can line up hedge
    funds who will say that, Yes, we paid our money and for that we could
    order two hatchet jobs per year. the notion that Gradient did anything
    on their own is absurd: many of their “analysts” were hired straight out
    of Burger King. They were recent college grads who had never held a
    professional job before, and the content of the reports was largely
    dictated to them. After hearing stories from the eight witnesses I think
    Gradient’s assertion that these were self-generated will be as laughable
    to the public as it is now to the witnesses.

    Gradient had an employee answering one phone on his desk, “Gradient
    Research,” and another on his desk, “Pinnacle Investments.” They were
    trading on Pinnacle’s behalf out of Gradient’s office (eventually it got
    moved across the hall). A screenshot of Pinnacle reveals their positions
    were simply front-running Gradient’s research.

    Cramer is saying that he never heard of Gradient until he got
    subpoenaed. Becky Quick goes on the set every morning and says
    nothing. He is lying, as is she (by omission). The truth is,
    communications exist between Becky Quick and Gradient saying things
    like, “Jim Cramer loves the Gradient hatchet jobs.” “Cramer is having
    CEO XYZ on and says to get him the latest Gradient stuff on them.” Etc.
    These date from over a year ago. I believe emails still exist on CNBC
    computers confirming this. If CNBC investigates they will discover that
    Cramer was lying repeatedly to his audience and that Becky kept her
    mouth shut: presumably they would have to fire at least Cramer if this
    happens. If they do not investigate, then when these emails are made
    public and the world knows that CNBC was informed of this (through this
    post) and chose not to investigate, it will be the end of CNBC as a news
    organization.

    Cramer and TSCM received subpoenas on February 7-9. Cramer told the
    world about it on February 27th. Between those two dates Cramer and
    the top three execs at TSCM sold $6 million of stock. Cramer had never
    sold TSCM stock before. He did these sales pursuant to a 10b5 plan so
    they show up as, “planned sales.” He filed his plan on February 14th.
    These are just a handful of the nuggets that are going to come out in
    discovery and trial. These guys can throw all the whitewash they want at
    this, they can send all the shills on TV that they want to, they can clog
    message boards and so on, but they cannot change trading records,
    emails, phone bills, and reports (especially when they already know that
    the good guys have many of them, and they don’t know which they can
    shred).

    As I sign off, I see that my last poll shows that 36% of Fools agree that
    Fool has become corrupted. I sadly agree.

    Good-bye.

    Patrick


    Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:55 pm
    Post subject: My last thoughts on Fooldom, and it’s good to be back

    For those of you who do not know, The Motley Fool was started by two
    very good guys, the Gardner Brothers, who are both value investors
    (think “Warren Buffett”) and who think investing should be something
    that should be understood by all. They and the editor they hired, Bill
    Mann, have done a wonderful job over the years of bringing good
    investing principles to Main Street. They eschew the fancy lingo and
    techniques of Wall Street, and they try to teach Main Street Americans
    how to participate in the stock market intelligently. Tom Gardner had me
    on his radio show a couple times, and even had me speak at a Fool
    convention.

    The Fool (as it is known) has pushed fo regulatory reform that levels the
    playing field between Wall Street and Main Street. For example, they
    ahd a lot to do with the passage of Reg FD (“Fair Disclosure”), an
    excellent SEC rule change that prevents companies from tipping off Wall
    Street analysts with information without sharing it with the public.
    because of their ideological bent, I hoped they would join my crusade
    regarding unsettled trades in our capital markets and collusive activity
    among hedge funds, analysts, and journalists, but they have not. No
    hard feelings: I do think they will come to regret their stance someday.
    Who knows.

    Nothing I ahve said here should be interpreted as an attempt to
    disparage the Fool as an institution. I thought and still think it was a
    great idea. I participated in an attempt to endorse it, and suck more
    pwoer away from the New York establishment media. It followed me
    there. I do think that Bill could have been a bit more on the spot to
    recognize what is going on at the message boards there.

    But in any case, it is a subscription service: people ahve to pay a fee to
    access the boards there. Because of Reg FD, I could not post anything
    material about the business there: if I did, some could claim that I was
    not sharing information with the genreal public at the same time. So
    while I tried to recognize that rule at all times, some could argue that
    even the most general talk of the naked shorting issue facing Ameica
    was really some backdoor way of talking about Overstock.

    So I decided to come here, and bring all the more meaningful posts from
    there and The SanityCheck with me.

    It is good to be back.

    Regards,

    Patrick

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