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#1 2009-08-11 23:07:37

johnk
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Russian Mafia

We here all of this talk about the Russian Mafia.  Even the FBI talks about the dangers of this group, and I know they are mentioned all the time on the deep capture site.  My question is, who exactly is the Russian Mafia?  There is clearly a criminal group in Russia, who shoots people and has a lot in common with the Italian mafia.  The FBI has not caught very many of these guys in America, and I can't remember the last time I read about a Russian guy committing murder in this country.

Is the Russian mob simply a group of elite business people, many who are Jewish, which are discussed on this site so much?  The elite who control Wall Street, who probably do have a sophisticated network that can kill people.  I guess what I am trying to say, is I think the Russian Mob in this country, probably has nothing in common with the Italian mob, and most of the members are American born.  They probably have connections with Street gangs, and drug cartels, but I have a tough time imagining a group of Russian Street thugs hosing somebody down with a machine gun in America.  I just don't think it has ever happened before.  What do others think?

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#2 2009-08-16 10:54:17

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Re: Russian Mafia

johnk,
The Russian mafia has nothing to do with "elite Jewish businessmen" as you put it.  I also sincerely hope that you didn't mean to infer anything with that comment.
Many hard-core criminals in the gulag claimed they were jewish so they could be released and gain easy entry into Israel and the U.S. during the cold war.  With an identity established in Israel it became much easier for them to travel internationally.   They then took advantage of the chaos surrounding the fall of the former Soviet Union which created an environment in which they could operate freely.  These people are hardcore criminals, many of whom honed their criminal tendencies in cold war Russia.  They are meaner and nastier than the Italian mob and better organized.  They are involved in everything from drug trafficing, human slavery, arms sales, smuggling, cybercrime and financial crimes.    They don't mess around with intimidation and death threats; they will kill anyone who becomes an obstacle to them.  They do have a strong presence in certain parts of the country, and most police departments just don't have the manpower to deal with these groups and don't get involved because they will be killed if they do.  Whether there a jewish component to to these groups I feel is not relevent and has more to do with the geographical origins of these groups.  Home grown militia groups are bad news too, but they are primarily based on pseudo-Christian doctrine and traditional Italian mobsters are all good Catholics.  Criminal elements can arise from practically every cultural and religious segment within any given society.

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#3 2009-08-16 14:03:16

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Re: Russian Mafia

Thanks for the response and I apologize if I affended you.  I guess I'm not very politically correct.  Personally I don't care what religion or ethnicity they are.  I simply research what other people write, and other people seem to see a correlation between the Russian Mob, Russian Jewish Buinsessman, and Jewish people in this country.  I don't personally have a problem with Jewish people, I was just trying to understand it better.  I based my question off information I gathered from others sources, and I don't believe for a second that all Jewish people are involved in this, or that everyone involved is Jewish.

I think you are correct, and the Russian Mob does exist in places like Brighton Beach, South Florida, Chicago, parts of California, etc.  I read about the power and influence of this group, and find very little information about arrest or specific crimes they committed in America.  My guess would be they only deal with big stuff, and are very careful about the crimes they commit.  They must be very sophisticated.

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#4 2009-08-16 14:50:36

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Re: Russian Mafia

Johnk,
No worries, my attitude is that there are creeps in every crowd.  And you are right, they are very sophisticated.  Brutal and violent, but efficient and well run.

There is also a large group of Albanian immigrants in Glendale CA and there is a lot of activity there as well.

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#5 2009-08-17 19:23:17

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Re: Russian Mafia

Nevermind, here is a good example of the Russian Mob on the front page of the news.  The media and FBI probably feel it is irrelevent to officially give the Russian Mob credit.  This would just have to be the Russian mob.

Three Indicted in Largest Corporate Identity Theft Case in History
Monday, August 17, 2009 


PrintShareThisFederal Authorities indicted three men in New Jersey in a massive identity theft case that the Justice Department is labeling as the largest in American history.

Albert Gonzalez of Miami, 28, is charged with acting with two unnamed conspirators to locate large corporations and steal vital account information in a crime that the Department of Justice calls "the single largest hacking and identity theft case ever prosecuted."

Authorities say more than 130 million credit and debit card numbers were stolen in a corporate data breach involving three different corporations and two individuals. The card numbers, along with additional account information, were allegedly stolen from Princeton-based Heartland Payment Systems; 7-Eleven Inc., a Texas-based convenience store chain and Hannaford Brothers Company, a Maine-based supermarket chain.

The indictment also mentions two other unidentified corporate victims as being hacked by the co-conspirators.

According to the Justice Department, the suspects used a sophisticated hacking technique called an "SQL injection attack," which "seeks to exploit computer networks by finding a way around the network's firewall to steal credit card and debit information."

According to the two-count indictment alleging conspiracy and conspiracy to engage in wire-fraud, beginning in October 2006, Gonzalez and the others would seek out Fortune 500 companies and attempt to identify potential vulnerabilities in their computer systems.

FULL COVERAGE: Click here for all of FOXNews.com's identity theft coverage.
After reconnaissance of the computer systems was completed, information would be uploaded to servers which served as hacking platforms. Once the information was discovered, it was stolen from the corporate servers and placed onto servers around the world controlled by the suspects.

Upon the alleged theft of the data, Gonzalez, known online as "soupnazi," and his co-conspirators would seek to sell the data to others who would then use it to make fraudulent purchases, unauthorized withdrawals from banks and other identity theft schemes, the Justice Department said Monday.

RELATED: Russian Hackers Stole U.S. IDs for Attacks

If convicted, Gonzalez could face up to 20 years on a charge of wire-fraud conspiracy and an additional five on the conspiracy charge. He also faces fines of up to $250,000 for each charge.

He is currently in federal custody. The whereabouts of the two unidentified suspects, both from Russia, are unknown.

The latest charges are hardly Gonzalez's first brush with the law — in May 2008, the U.S. Attorney's Office of New York charged him for his alleged role in the hacking of a computer network run by a national restaurant chain. He is slated to stand trial on those charges in September of 2009.

In August of 2008, he was indicted on additional charges for a number of hacks into eight major retailers including discount giant TJ Maxx that involved an estimated 40 million credit cards and cost TJ Maxx $200 million. He is scheduled for trial on those charges in 2010, the Department of Justice said.

Heartland Systems announced a suspected breach on January 20, 2009, noting the discovery of "evidence of an intrusion," but denying the compromise of any merchant data, social security numbers, PIN numbers or addresses. It has an entire Web site devoted to the breach, accessible. At the time of the 2008 intrusion, Heartland was responsible for processing 100 million payments for at least 250,000 businesses each month, the Washington Post reported.

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#6 2009-10-13 22:15:25

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Re: Russian Mafia

The question on Russian Mafia is interesting.  Yes there are lots of them in the U.S.  Most of them are on the East coast with the concentrations in N.Y. and Florida.  Some are elsewhere, mostly major cities.  Most are thugs.  Many are not, but rather sophisticated operators.  The febees keep close tabs on most all of them.  The interest in them right now has to do with security issues relating to the war on terrorism and nukes.  At this time, the effort is intelligence collection for strategic defense issues rather than criminal activity.  At least that is what my febee friends tell me.

The original Russian surge in mafia activity in the mother country followed the colapse of the USSR and the break up of the KGB.  Out of work thugs turned to other forms of business; the things they knew best, thuggerie.  They assisted in the looting of any wealth that existed within Russia after the break up.  Thanks to that looting, Russia is clowing melting down as we watch.  As they run out of  juicy things to work with at home, they move off-shore.  The U.S. is a favorite place as is Italy, England, the middle east and the pacific area.

Our home turf mafia types only collaborate on drug, and human trafficing with outsiders.  As for the Jewish mafia:  Are there mafia that are Jewish-yes.  But the antithesis is not true.

The current view of mafia and gangsters as thugs is certainly antiquated.  If you want to see one in action today, look for a three piece suit and a brief case.  He or she probably has JD after the name.  They are very sophisticated today.  That is why most febee recruits are accountants.

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