Discussing the crime of naked short selling
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C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:24:18 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198549
AGAIN AND AGAIN --- IF FFGO IS DEAD --- "WHY" WOULD ANYONE BE HERE ?!?!? :-/ The ONLY explanation is: FFGO IS ALIVE !!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOO FFGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:37:31 PM
Re: newtrader2007 post# 198532
Post # of 198549
Dividend Coming! Proof is in the DD provided!
Good Luck!
diamondguru-one
Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:55:13 PM
Re: C-D post# 198531
Post # of 198549
"Absolutely"!!!!! correct....
come on SUPER 8k FILING !!!! than 3400% ROI !!!! Bammmmm
payday !!!!
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:17:53 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198550
Vianna ----- Vianna ----- we NEED you INDEED !!!!!!! PLEASE TELL US "WHERE" THE FFGO DIVI PARTY
WILL BE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! *************** YAHOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:20:35 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 198550
C-D all on has to do is look at the DD! It is clear that the dividend is still in play. I would not want to be short when the day comes and 3449% or more MUST be paid out to shareholders. I would imagine all of the Risk managers at TDA, ET, and ST will have a lot of explaining to do to the capital management folks. Share prices could be significantly effected by millions of dollars in losses due to illegally issuing billions of naked short sales to their clients.
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:25:01 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198550
4 ALL WHO DO THEIR FFGO DD? WILL HOPEFULLY BEGIN TO CC! YESSSSS, BE ALL YOU CAN BB! SO YOU WILL NOT BE >CAUGHT
SAYING: GG --- WHY ME !?!?!?!?
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:31:49 PM
Re: diamondguru-one post# 198535
Post # of 198550
FFGO - Will that 3449% PLUS be CASH? Or another broker issued IOU?
TIC TOC
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:33:36 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198550
'Beware' naked short sellers... VERY cold 4 U at 3449% ROI or moooooooooooooooore !!!
(Salvation Army sells GREAT clothes at a very nice price 2 cover! )
!
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:39:05 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198550
*TIC TOC *TIC TOC --- FFGO DIVI IS A LOCK!
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:52:27 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198551
THRILLED 2 READ ALL THE ENTHUSIASTIC & EXCITING POSTS !!!! *BLESSINGS* !!!!
The ROI of 3449%+++++ will
be soooooo sweeeeeet !!! ![]()
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:56:14 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198543
Post # of 198551
*TIME* will tell --- won't you agree!?!?! I'm THRILLED 2 WAIT & SEE, agree?
An ROI of 3449%+ is good for ME ---
how about THEE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ![]()
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:10:30 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198543
Post # of 198551
Such fantasy claims are. It supported by the Wyoming Statutes of Incorporation. Distribution of dividend is protected. Regarding revocation of registration by he SEC. FINRA has made it very clear that the state of incorporation governs what a company can and cannot do at all time. Having said that, it appears that the statutes of Wyoming reins supreme!
Thanks for all of the DD! Know more than ever that the dividend is still in play!
Good Luck!
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:36:25 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198546
Post # of 198551
There is really >NOTHING< more that has to be said about this upcoming 3449%+++++ dividend ROI !!!!
The FFGO PAGE REVEALS THE MASTER PLAN,& one can either choose to believe it ~~~~~ or not !!!!
Judging from all these recent * WONDERFUL * and insightful posts ?!? CLEARLY one cannot argue the *MARVELOUS* dividend FFGO has planned for only those wishing to receive this *INCREDIBLE* --- but TRUE 3449%++++++++++++++++++++++ ROI !!!!
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:50:18 PM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198547
Post # of 198552
*HALLELUJAH* to be STUCK with those
HAPPY >shareholders
about to receive a 3449%+ ROI !!!
C-D
Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:05:18 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198552
*WOW* ~~~~ "LOOK" AT ALL THESE SUNDAY POSTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AlanC
Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:24:51 AM
Re: TomSawyer post# 1156
Post # of 1158
Why do you suppose that is Tom? It has been over 7 years now, the SEC conducted a full investigation on one of the sisters and no doubt they have received hundreds of complaints yet zero, squat, nada! The SEC can't be that incompetent. FINRA refuses to answer questions about the short position and their lack of reporting the SHO numbers since August of 2010 despite posting the daily numbers that day after day after day, month after month after month reflected over 90% of volume was short sales, over 2 billion worth no less.
Heck based on subsequent fines against Credit Suisse and UBSS for mismarking short trades and calling them long it is likely that 100% of all shares sold the past two years were non existant.
Thinking about this logic is telling me that the regulators deemed the 3449% return to investors as being fair but it is they who control when the Super 8K filing is released announcing the record and payment date. GNCP can serve as a lever to insure that the regulators make that release. Interesting days ahead to be sure.
Go GNCP!!!
Rocket Man
Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:03:48 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198557
Finra states that REG Sho Bi Monthly Reports are effectively a sham.. FFGO has been shorted to the "enth" degree..
http://fortfinancegroup.com/
5T WD haha
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AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:07:23 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198538
Post # of 198584
SevenTenEleven: Like you I have no doubt the divy is coming. Years of crimes committed by those who shorted FFGO and the sisters will be exposed. You can be sure the shortman has used every tool is his aresenal and called in every marker and yet he is unable to prevent this from happening. This is not just about FFGO, this is about the entire system. Pete Bezzano did a masterful job of designing and implementing this plan that the shortman has been unbale to conquer.
Thanks Pete and all who put this together. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
paunch13
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:24:01 AM
Re: AlanC post# 198561
Post # of 198584
AlanC
Pete told me part of his plan before he left and when his plan is finished we will all be happy and mr. short will be finished for good . It is a shame that the government allowed this to go as far as it did but now is the time to put a stop to it
John
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:29:06 AM
Re: paunch13 post# 198562
Post # of 198584
John: When we get paid on FFGO by the shortman I expect there will be a fairly substantial number of longs looking to invest in related companies. I know I will be looking to invest a good chunk of money in other related companies so this poses multiple dangers for the shortman.
Go FFGO!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
Dhoraji
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:37:39 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198555
Post # of 198584
Yes.
REVOKED,
DISSOLVED.
But not
ABANDONED and NOT BANKRUPT! I repeat NOT BANKRUPT.
THEREFORE,
Peter and Ron are fighting with FINRA and SEC about FFGO's NSS, which stays in the books of various brokers until they settle this issue with the Authority.
Distribution of liquidating dividend is another issue, which Peter and Ron are trying their best to get prior approval from FINRA and SEC, because it
indirectly involves NSS, where their reputation is at stake.
I am studying FFGO'S ups and down for long time and came to above conclusion on my own. Believe it or not, that is up to you.
I think Peter and Ron have to loose a lot if they fail.
Dhoraji
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:02:04 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198567
Post # of 198584
You are ignoring one thing! FFGO NOT BANKRUPT.
Therefore, no one can remove NSS from the books of various Brokers.
May be NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT is taking shape?
FFGO is a sleeping giant!
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:16:30 AM
Re: medchal post# 198564
Post # of 198584
Wrong, intentionally. Minor is wrong and not in the document. FACT is it specifically states under-reporting and under-inclusive. To me that is not minor and is ripe for fraud and in my book a sham.. I am sure many would agree if there is under-reporting and where reporting is under-inclusive is wrong, and if it wasn't a problem they wouldn't have mentioned it.. Get my point?
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
globex
Monday, April 23, 2012 11:16:13 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198572
Post # of 198584
I guess ill just have to sell all the shares of ffgo that are in my account. Kind of odd that I still have those shares now isn't it.
Can't wait for payday go FFGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 11:52:54 AM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198570
Post # of 198585
RocketMan: Two MM's Credit Suisse and UBSS were tagged with millions of dollars in fines by regulators for falsely reporting having mismarked short sales as long sales. Talk about fantasy anyone here like to make the claim those two are the only MM's that incorrectly reported FFGO trades? FINRA reported FFGO short sales averaged over 90% even with the false reports being filed.
I suspect an accurate reporting would have reflected that not a single real share was sold to FFGO investors over the past two years and that is with over 2 billion being sold. Think of the possibilities. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 11:57:19 AM
Re: AlanC post# 198575
Post # of 198585
Like I said, nothing minor about it.. We have the data on FFGO.. eos.. Been filed and saved..
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 12:04:59 PM
Re: medchal post# 198571
Post # of 198586
While wasting time on a revoked stock like FFGO.. Ponder the facts below.
NOTICE THE COLD WINTER DAY.. Yup, that is the so called "" minor under-reporting and under-inclusive FINRA talks about.
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 12:15:13 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198578
Post # of 198586
Nothing like the facts to keep people coming back here in FFGO.. I have an excuse.. lol
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 12:19:42 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198586
FFGO~ Still up and running, strange for a revoked stock. http://fortfinancegroup.com/
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
globex
Monday, April 23, 2012 12:48:44 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198584
Post # of 198586
Generalizations are not facts. How do you know what my brokerage firm does? not all of them are the same.
5T WD haha
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janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:06:54 PM
Re: 80baja post# 151020
Post # of 151055
"They had ample opportunity to make things right and chose not to do so."
In September 2005, the SEC suspended their net capital requirements. They didn't have to do anything. They could simply refer people to the SEC's decision.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:09:21 PM
Re: Whiplash_Investor post# 151021
Post # of 151055
"If NSS manipulation occurred in the years it was trading, it could be gone now."
It barely traded at all between 2000 and the spring of 2005.
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:16:30 PM
Re: janice shell post# 150995
Post # of 151056
LOL! You truly are a gem. Thank you for that post.
"Nothing in the law books says anything about intentional or non-intentional..
On the contrary:
Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud"
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:24:39 PM
Re: allezlOM post# 150998
Post # of 151056
I suspect that Catherine is probably looking at my brokerage statements right now laughing at the dates of my purchases ![]()
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:29:42 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151001
Post # of 151056
For the love of all that is holy. Intent has nothing to do with it. The end result (NSS/Fraud) of what happened is the crux of the situation. Chew on that for a little while! Thanks!
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:30:17 PM
Re: NYSERule282 post# 151031
Post # of 151056
If there was no intent, there was no fraud.
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:37:30 PM
Re: op9171787 post# 151003
Post # of 151056
Op- The number discrepancy here is so ridiculous that I don't believe it will trade again. The scumbags are going to fight this to the end. With that said, it does not mean that we don't profit from the shares that we bought.
I am curious if Darbie ever delivered the shares to the DTCC. I suspect they did. I am actually impressed with how dirty the DTCC is. Their commitment to financial terrorism is solid!
All in my humble, yet very strong opinion~
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:45:01 PM
Re: NYSERule282 post# 151033
Post # of 151056
"I am curious if Darbie ever delivered the shares to the DTCC. I suspect they did."
I very much doubt that. By the time Darbie and Capital Growth got the stock in question, the global lock had been in place for some time. DTCC wouldn't have accepted certs for deposit.
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:56:19 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151032
Post # of 151056
LOL! Fraud is fraud. WOW!
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 1:57:48 PM
Re: NYSERule282 post# 151037
Post # of 151056
If you want to deal with the law, you'd do well to understand it.
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:01:50 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151038
Post # of 151056
So if I have counterfeit hundred dollar bills unknowingly am I guilty if I use those bills?
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:03:07 PM
Re: NYSERule282 post# 151039
Post # of 151056
If you try to buy something with them, the bills will be confiscated. But unless you were associated with the counterfeiter, nothing will be done to you.
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:03:45 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151032
Post # of 151056
My brokerage firm removed my BCIT shares from my account and blamed the DTCC claiming the shares were worthless. Obviously there intent was to try and eliminate the liability that those shares represent. When the shares were sold to me and resulted in a FTD did they try and buy them in or was it their intent to not worry about it? Since my brokerage firm was recently notified that an opportunity to replace the markers that have been sitting in my account for years and for which they were paid was available to them at a very fair price and they chose not to buy them what would have been their intent?
No question in my mind BCIT shareholders have all been and continue to be victims of fraud.
Go BCIT!!!
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:05:13 PM
Re: AlanC post# 151041
Post # of 151057
Brokerages remove worthless stock from accounts periodically. If you don't want that to happen, all you have to do is ask them to put it back.
80baja
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:25:59 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151026
Post # of 151057
so you are saying they (the Brokers) or (marketmakers)whoever ended up with my money could just keep it and not have to provide what I was purchasing and keep the money? really?
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:27:38 PM
Re: 80baja post# 151045
Post # of 151057
They could say: "It's not up to us." And that's pretty much what they have been saying.
80baja
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:35:59 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151046
Post # of 151058
Yes pretty much but I doubt you really think that was the right thing to do. They sold me my shares after the DTCC had already sent them notice they was no longer clearing and could have made it right with me a long time ago.
lollybella
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:36:21 PM
Re: None
Post # of 151058
Folks, just ignore her: SHE ALWAYS FAILS to tell you that our brokerage firms SETTLED OUR TRADES in 2005. Yep, they had 3 days to get our shares. That's the law. We placed orders, they took our money, then settled on the 3rd day just and they MUST get us our certified shares that ARE available, PERIOD!
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:36:49 PM
Re: 80baja post# 151048
Post # of 151058
I've said many times what I think they should have done, and should still do.
BigMoneyAtl
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:01:53 PM
Re: AlanC post# 151041
Post # of 151059
I still have mine at Etrade. Isn't illegal to remove shares w/o account holder's written authorization? Whether the stock is worthless or not, brokers have no business of touching those shares (unless instructed by account holder in writing).
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:04:52 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151050
Post # of 151059
Janice- I do believe that I have told you numerous times how glad I am that you spend time posting here. It makes me realize that my shares of BCIT may have more value than I can imagine! Thank you for your presence!
80baja
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:06:01 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151050
Post # of 151059
That would have been fine in 2005. 2012 they can deliver the shares, I guess we will see how it plays out. Just puzzles me why you would think that to be fair after all this time?
NYSERule282
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:06:20 PM
Re: BigMoneyAtl post# 151051
Post # of 151059
Yes, brokers cannot remove shares from you account without your approval (i.e filling out a worthless securities from). I have already informed Etrad that if they do that without my approval I will sue them. My shares are still there.
I do believe we will all be amazed at how much value our shares are worth one day!
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:13:28 PM
Re: 80baja post# 151054
Post # of 151059
Because I think it might be attainable.
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:23:36 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151042
Post # of 151059
The brokerage firm has no right to remove anything from my account without my explicit approval to do so imho. They are supposed to be running a legitimate business operation. The BCIT case has exposed just what kind of operation they are running and the liberties they are taking. They no longer seem to feel that they have a fiduciary responsiblity to anyone but themselves. Is it any wonder they are going to be facing increasing numbers of lawsuits from BCIT shareholders? After seeing the way the Arbitration hearing for the BCIT shareholders was handled they can eat cake. They deserve what they have coming to them and more as we all know BCIT is but one example of the fraud they are helping to perpetrate on investors. Go BCIT!!!
lollybella
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:26:09 PM
Re: None
Post # of 151059
IMHO, J.S. is trying to brainwash those here who are weary or doubting, into taking back your initial amount of money given to your brokers plus a few bucks interest, when the time (soon, IMHO) comes and the brokers will be begging you to settle.
My shares worth WAY more than I paid in 2005. I will NEVER let my brokers off the hook. They will pay dearly.
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:31:49 PM
Re: BigMoneyAtl post# 151051
Post # of 151059
I agree completely! They are trying to eliminate liability but that is not going to happen with me! Go BCIT!!!
Joda
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:42:07 PM
Re: AlanC post# 151059
Post # of 151060
But wait, aren't some yelling that we will never trade again?
So if BCIT will never trade again, why are they sneaking around so much, trying to remove shares from people's accounts?
Oh, but wait. Wasn't that being said about BCIT some 7 years ago, some 6 years ago, some 5 years ago, some 4 years ago, some 3 years ago, some 2 years ago and last year...
...and now "BCIT will never trade" is being said again...
Yup, okay then...
RRRRRRRRiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttt!!!!!!!
We've heard that story before, shall we say, LOL
Many times, and I have feeling we may hear it again, before we have this resolved, ROFL...
But have no worries, the NSS'ers are going down and they are starting to know it.
Whiplash_Investor
Monday, April 23, 2012 7:53:09 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151027
Post # of 151072
Odd that every time I say anything to you about NSS existing in the markets, you purposely avoid the question. You left out this part when you quoted me:
Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Point is NSS happens, not whether in BCIT or not, so claims there is no NSS or illegal short selling is bunk.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You asked for an example of NSS and I gave it to you. Want another - Overstock.com, now O.co. That's proof it exists and where there is smoke, there is usually fire. When the SEC finishes rooting it out in the big stocks, the small ones will be next as the lawyers start jumping on it, citing the successful cases. Once the dike opens, those that manipulate prices using illegal shorting will be prosecuted, including those that help them (MM's, etc.). They can't keep doing it and expect nothing to stick to them. They can only stop and hope statutes of limitations save them.
By the way, the SEC is asking Congress for more power to get investor's money back, not just fines and some disgorgement.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 7:56:29 PM
Re: Whiplash_Investor post# 151071
Post # of 151072
That's because I don't agree with you. But we've been through that many times. OSTK was shorted naked by options MMs using what was a legitimate exemption at the time.
When that exemption was removed, the short was covered, and the stock soared. Currently, though, it's lower than it ever was. Why? Because it's an unsuccessful company.
Whiplash_Investor
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:03:24 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151032
Post # of 151074
See footnote one...there are cases where scienter was not required and some where it is, that negligence is not enough. Point is scienter is not required in some cases:
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/jcorl11&div=15&id=&page=
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
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Vianna
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:24:53 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198581
Post # of 198609
GA Rocket Man and All FFGOrs! Exactly...very strange.
I've been asked repeatedly why I still believe there is a chance here and why I did not write off my 170M shares as a loss.
It's simple.
The Company said it could take "more than a year to come to fruition," and it is EXTREMELY easy for the Company to cancel the dividend for whatever reason they come up with at any time.
They have not and thus...to me, this CAN still happen.
The fact that so many do not want it to happen also gives me hope. SHORTY is in a pinch and SHORTY will do anything and everything to destroy any possibilities for this dividend.
I continue to have faith and pray that GOOD will prevail here and the principals do the RIGHT THING for 1000s of innocent shareholders.
Best,
V
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:30:59 PM
Re: Vianna post# 198591
Post # of 198611
GA to you too.. I agree we have a lot of eyes, good and bad on FFGO.. 1,000s own shares and many don't but FFGO has the attention that is sure. From my point of view SHORTY has a problem.. I won't be righting off shares, EVER!
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 2:49:46 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198592
Post # of 198611
FFGO - Dividend coming!
DD provided confirms it.
Good Luck!
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:06:37 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198594
Post # of 198612
Thanks 71011.. Divy of $.003449 is written..
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:07:35 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198612
FFGO~ I got divs in HGLC and GWGO..
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:12:44 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198596
Post # of 198612
And it will be.
Regardless of the fantasy claims that the dividend is canceled and/or that the State of Wyoming Statues are meaningless.
Tic Toc
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:27:27 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198598
Post # of 198612
I know I won't simply write off my shares.. Nope not in FFGO.. No amount of coaxing will work..
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:29:26 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198600
Post # of 198612
Writing off for 100% loss ahead of a 3449% ROI is just not logical.
Proof of the dividend process being canceled lies in the fingertips of those making the fantasy claims.
Imagine what the margin costs are on all of those billions of naked short sold shares.
Tic Toc
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:30:47 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198601
Post # of 198612
For all this time too.. Wow!!
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:30:48 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198601
Post # of 198612
Going on for years too... Man, at what cost..?
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:36:48 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198603
Post # of 198613
You know all of those non-tape resets that we hear so much about? You know the ones that are the secret hidden legs of the trade?
Well...
It is very possible, and it is supported by FINRA's public documents to investors, that a non-tape short sale would not show up on the daily tape or the monthly report for short interest.
So it is also possible that one market maker short selling, and reporting on the daily, is then filled by another market maker short selling to them off the daily tape. This would not show up on the RegSho, per FINRA.
So grateful to those pointing out how the system can, and is likely gamed by the abusive naked short sellers who found a loophole in the reporting system. A loophole FINRA and the SEC has yet to close.
Tic Toc
Rocket Man
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:38:58 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198605
Post # of 198613
Just a matter of time now, imo..
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:41:20 PM
Re: Vianna post# 198591
Post # of 198613
Hi Vianna! Good always prevails over evil although at times good can be frustratingly slow in arriving! Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:44:23 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198608
Post # of 198613
The deadline for writing off FFGO losses has passed.
The IRS thanks all those who decided not to take the write-offs for their generous contribution to the US General Fund.
And since that deadline has passed, any further discussion of write-offs is pretty much irrelevant...
unless there is some kind of need for irrelevant conversation. - RoadLessTraveled
There are no absolute deadlines for write-offs!
Another fantasy claim!
In fact, the only deadlines for tax write-offs are what quarter and what year you decide to take them in.
Write-offs are the only way those short can cover while a stock is revoked. Broker convinces retail customer to write down asset and then the asset is removed from the books of the broker. Voila! The short position is closed out!
Tic Toc
revelations
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:49:41 PM
Re: AlanC post# 198609
Post # of 198613
I wish that were true but good doesn't always prevail on earth. Evil may get away with things now but it will have its judgement day. With that being said, I am hoping for the best with FFGO. Thanks for all your efforts.
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 3:57:35 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198612
Post # of 198614
Attention FFGO shareholdrers: Check your account statements monthly to insure that your brokerage firm does not try to write off your shares. Two weeks ago my brokerage firm withdrew shares of another revoked stock that I own from my account. They are claiming they did so at the behest of the DTCC and because the shares are worthless. Guess what the company came to life again after being dormant for the past 7 years several weeks ago. It has issued several PR's and should be trading again soon. One shareholder took his brokerage firm to small claims court and won because the brokerage firm was unable to deliver the shares he bought in certificate form. Lots going on but the brokerage firms know that times are changing and will try almost anything to limit their liability so it is importnat for you to make sure they do not remove your FFGO shares. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 4:05:13 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198616
Post # of 198618
Shorts will continue to hope for write-offs, whether this year, or next year.
Either way, they are hoping to reduce their risk and close out their open short positions.
What they failed to achieve in 2011, regarding write-offs will continue until the dividend is paid.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 4:07:24 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198615
Post # of 198618
the SEC revoking filing and the state of WYO dissolving the corporation.is 100% proof of worthless - puppydotcom
Sorry! Wyoming Statutes allows for the dividend process to be completed. All one has to do is read the statutes and acknowledge what they say in black and white.
Dissolution matter not regarding the dividend process.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 4:15:56 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198620
Fantasy wishes of write-off not going to happen! Sorry!
Tic Toc
AlanC
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:02:25 PM
Re: AlanC post# 1157
Post # of 1162
FINRA short sales reported today for GNCP
20120423|GNCP|35000|0|117000|O
30% of volume today was short sales!
Go GNCP!!!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:21:23 PM
Re: AlanC post# 1162
Post # of 1163
GNCP - Shorts continue to surface. What I find interesting is the alleged secret legs of trades. The ones not reported on the tape. These "trades" are not reported on the daily short volume and they are not reported on the monthly short interest reports according to FINRA. This is how an FFGO is able to remain off of the RegSHO list for years. Wonder if the same manipulative behavior is occurring in GNCP?
Thanks again to the advocate association for pointing out how the short volume and the short interest reports can be "legally" manipulated.
Tic Toc
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
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SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:37:48 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334360
Post # of 334460
SEC OBTAINS $4.8 MILLION JUDGMENT AGAINST MARCO GLISSON, WHO WAS CHARGED WITH MAKING A MARKET IN DEREGISTERED SECURITIES OF CMKM DIAMONDS, INC.
U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Litigation Release No. 22340 / April 23, 2012
Securities and Exchange Commission v. Marco Glisson, Civil Action No. 2:09-cv-00104
SEC OBTAINS $4.8 MILLION JUDGMENT AGAINST MARCO GLISSON, WHO WAS CHARGED WITH MAKING A MARKET IN DEREGISTERED SECURITIES OF CMKM DIAMONDS, INC.
The Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission") announced that a judgment was entered on April 11, 2012 in its civil injunctive action against Marco Glisson, filed in the United States District Court of Nevada. Without admitting or denying the allegations in the complaint, Glisson consented to entry of a permanent injunction against violations of the registration provisions of Sections 5(a) and 5(c) of the Securities Act of 1933, and the broker dealer registration provisions of Section 15(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Glisson was ordered to pay $2,765,650.65 in disgorgement, which represented profits gained as a result of the conduct alleged in the complaint, together with prejudgment interest in the amount of $670,574.79. In addition, Glisson was ordered to pay a civil penalty in the amount of $1,400,000, and was permanently barred from participating in the offering of penny stock.
The Commission’s complaint alleged that from December 2005 through April 2007, Glisson acted as an unregistered broker or dealer and illegally sold deregistered securities of CMKM Diamonds, Inc. CMKM's registration with the Commission was revoked and the stock delisted on October 28, 2005. According to the complaint, Glisson, a retired auto worker and part-time restaurant worker who used the name “Deli Dog” or “Deli” in Internet chat rooms, identified potential buyers and sellers by frequenting CMKM related internet chat rooms and through referrals from past buyers and sellers. Glisson then negotiated the terms of the transaction and consummated it by exchanging money for the pertinent CMKM stock certificate. Through these practices, Glisson made a market in deregistered CMKM securities at a time when legitimate broker-dealers refused to execute such purchases or sales because of the Commission's deregistration of CMKM.
See Litigation Release No. 20855/January 15, 2009, for information on the filing of the original action and a link to the Commission’s Complaint.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2012/lr22340.htm
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:41:26 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334369
Post # of 334460
The individuals and the entities who were naked short selling and/or selling shares they had no right or privileged of selling will begin to surface and be announced. Not just for CMKX, but for many other OTC stocks.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:43:08 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 334370
Post # of 334460
Giant yawn. Biggest cert pull in history. No naked short.
This story is over, except for perp walks.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:46:58 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 334370
Post # of 334460
You realize, don't you, that Glisson was just one of a great many CMKX shareholders who tried to profit from the genuine victims?
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:54:45 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334372
Post # of 334460
And the genuine victims were?
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:55:27 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 334373
Post # of 334462
Gullible shareholders.
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:07:01 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334383
Post # of 334463
As pointed out earlier, there are companies in the Fortune 500 that started on the OTC. Some even ranking in the top 5 in market cap.
Many companies have started on the OTC and have been very successful. Raising capital to fund growth and development is how the equity markets are designed to prosper.
The problem with the markets today lies in the short sellers collapsing any opportunity for even legit companies raising capital. It seems that the more legit companies are bigger targets. Better story for the short sellers to tell to short into.
Oh well. Some will never agree to disagree. Just tell their sponsored side of the story.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:15:38 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 334385
Post # of 334465
LOLOL!! CMKX was conceived as a scam.
The REAL problem is that so many people don't bother to learn how to do DD. It's so much easier to believe in conspiracy theories.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:16:35 PM
Re: Buttonwood post# 334387
Post # of 334465
This is an honest board. Don't like it, you're free to leave.
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:17:10 PM
Re: Buttonwood post# 334387
Post # of 334465
They are easy to bait.
Personal attacks are the MO when all else fails.
Tic Toc
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:20:26 PM
Re: Buttonwood post# 334392
Post # of 334466
Personally, I feel deprogramming is more suitable for the NSS crowd.
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:21:41 PM
Re: Buttonwood post# 334396
Post # of 334467
Their handlers can't dig them out of every hole they find themselves in. They seem to be creating more work for their handlers than they are helping as of late.
janice shell
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:23:45 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 334399
Post # of 334468
LOLOLOLOLISSIMO!! "Handlers"?? Isn't Generic supposed to be a *Key Handler of Minions*? He was here just a little while ago.
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 9:34:40 PM
Re: Buttonwood post# 334416
Post # of 334468
Don't let the low ranking draw you in to get your posts deleted as TOS. The are no rules on the CMKX board unless the mods want to target your posts for deletions. Just a little advice.
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:00:08 PM
Re: Brad S post# 334409
Post # of 334471
Do you ever get tired of being wrong? - Brad S
Only an admin could reverse the deletion of another admin. Makes one wonder who on this board have that privilege and/or power?
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:16:17 PM
Re: Brad S post# 334456
Post # of 334475
And you can see this again, since it's now a page back already. Love them green arrows. - Brad S
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74750259
As you are legally aware, a TOS violation on a stock board that is not treated as a TOS violation on all stock boards may leave iHub exposed for legal judgements.
Nice to have friends moderating this board that have the same privileges as admins, huh Brad?
Nothing like a personal attack reversed by one of your friends!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:23:17 PM
Re: Brad S post# 334459
Post # of 334475
As long as there are shareholders of CMKX, this is a stock board. Just because you and your crew have turned it into a smash and bash attacking shareholders, and get away with it, doesn't justify your comments and personal attacks.
But hey, coming from a paid hack, who would expect anything less?
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:31:40 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334462
Post # of 334475
Nothing like watching the MO when the hacks attack. LOL! Nothing but personal insults. Shows their emotional IQ. Not all that high. Oh well. On gets what they pay for.
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33:36 PM
Re: Brad S post# 334461
Post # of 334475
Paid? Hell, no one has to pay me to mess with delusional Kool-Aid conspiracy freaks. I actually pay I-Hub for the privilege. - Brad S
Oh, so you work for a naked short selling hedge fund or market maker? And you and/or your company pays iHub to assist you in running your scams?
Cool! Good to know!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:40:50 PM
Re: Brad S post# 334467
Post # of 334475
Are you really that gullible or do you just like to make sh!t up to argue about? - Brad S
Can't make sh!t up that is a good as the sh!t that you spout.
But hey, nothing wrong with making a living off of the short side of the equation.
How much do the shorters pay for a good distort? $50/day? Or maybe $100/day if you get a high rate of intelligent posters' posts deleted, or better yet get them banned from posting?
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:44:52 PM
Re: Brad S post# 334472
Post # of 334475
I say this in all seriousness, you should seek the help of a mental health professional. The level of paranoia that you display can be dangerous to you and those around you. - Brad S
Keep up the personal attacks. Shows your lack of intelligence.
Good Luck!
Bull Finch
Monday, April 23, 2012 11:10:52 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334483
Post # of 334491
Just like you I'm waiting too!
For something that comes from that RAG you write for that isn't CRIMINAL!
Bull Finch
Monday, April 23, 2012 11:30:11 PM
Re: janice shell post# 334488
Post # of 334493
I Support Shareholders
that have been wronged by CRIMINALS!
That puts me, and you on different sides of the fence!
"Hey, we all know you support bad companies. Don't you find that embarrassing?"~janice shell
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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varmit
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:34:40 PM
Re: AlanC post# 198614
Post # of 198641
i am cheching my account for written off shares right now
and placing an order to sell any nss broker that needs to cover ffgo shares sold phantom/air ...
for yes of course !!! a buck a share !!!!!! good until shorty cashes me out .......
if shorty waits he will owe me the buck a share p[lus the roii 3449% mark up ouch shorty u are really hurtin here
varmit
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:38:05 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198617
Post # of 198641
time 2 write off our shares at a buck each !!!!!
funny how stable we are our price is here at a buck always stays there no fluctuation ....
just rock solid @ a buck until the record date then its a no brainer !!!!!!
oops been so long almost forgot !!!!!! varmit says
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:40:03 PM
Re: varmit post# 198629
Post # of 198641
FFGO - I have plenty of book entries the naked short selling market makers, and their manipulative clients could have back and cancel for $1 per share. This would allow them to avoid criminal prosecution.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 23, 2012 8:51:27 PM
Re: varmit post# 198628
Post # of 198641
Shorty will not only owe $0.003449/share for the DIVI..but he will owe $0.00010347/share annually for interest until this is resolved.
I am with you! $1 per share and Shorty could have a way out without having to pay the rest and possibly avoid taking a perp walk.
Lebron23
Monday, April 23, 2012 10:52:45 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198633
Post # of 198641
FFGO/NMGL Extraordinary Dividend is LOCKED, LOADED & IMMINENT!!!!!
AKFish
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:50:03 AM
Re: Lebron23 post# 198634
Post # of 198641
Are you willing to share your crystal ball? Imminent??
paunch13
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:02:06 AM
Re: AKFish post# 198638
Post # of 198641
AKFish
That would be great but it sure would be nice if the company cared
John
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
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Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:32:50 PM
Re: None
Post # of 25414
DHSM - Development of Cenote Falls Shopping Center Begins in Belize
Dhs Holding Co. (PN) (USOTC:DHSM)
Today : Tuesday 24 April 2012
DHS Holding Co. (PINKSHEETS: DHSM) recently announced that the company has broken new ground on the development of the Cenote Falls Shopping Center in Belize. It is the intention of DHS Holding Co. to approach and make offers to sign popular retailers to the deal, including McDonald's, Abercrombie and Fitch, Nike and several other top businesses.
The first phase of negotiations is being handled by Scarinci Hollenbeck veteran Jay Surgent, who will be charged with acquiring top-rated retailers to supply their products and services at the new one-of-a-kind shopping center.
"I would like to go on record that all of us at DHS Holding Co. are honored and thrilled to have Jay V. Surgent, of the law firm Scarinci Hollenbeck, as lead attorney for our interests in Belize," said DHS Holding President Charlie Barrett. "As partner of one of the most prestigious law firms in New York/New Jersey area, Mr. Surgent is a key part of our team and will greatly help us implement and realize our ambitions of a strong and productive presence in Belize with our planned Casino/Hotel and Shopping Center. DHS Holding hopes and believes that this is just the beginning of a long and fruitful relationship with Mr. Surgent."
The shopping center, which will be built on a 40-acre parcel of land, is a welcomed initiative to economic professionals in Belize, who agree the investment will help further the country's economic and social goals.
"As more American companies discover the excellent investment opportunities abroad, Scarinci Hollenbeck, has positioned itself with attorneys who have the capability necessary to take advantage of these international business opportunities," said Scarinci Hollenbeck Managing Partner Donald Scarinci.
DHS CEO Mike Rohling noted that nearly $100 million crosses the border from Belize to Mexico due to a lack of retail center options in Belize. The project is expected to provide more opportunities to the citizens of Belize and fuel the local economy.
About Scarinci Hollenbeck
Scarinci Hollenbeck (www.scarincihollenbeck.com) (@S_H_Law) is a New Jersey/New York Metropolitan area law firm that serves a diverse group of clients in numerous industries. The full service, general practice law firm retains a highly trained legal team with expertise in several areas, including Corporate Transactions and Business Law, Bankruptcy and Creditor's Rights, Environmental and Land Use Law, Litigation, Public Law, Commercial Real Estate, Sports and Entertainment Law, and Tax, Trust and Estate Law. Top-tier personnel, innovative technology and superior client service adds to Scarinci Hollenbeck's reputation as one of the most highly ranked law firms in the New Jersey area.
Contact:
Peter Moeller
Tel: 201-896-4100 x 3324
Email: psmoeller@scarincihollenbeck.com
goodolboy
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:32:22 PM
Re: None
Post # of 25414
Jay V. Surgent, Co-Chair of the firm’s Litigation Law Group,has extensive experience in federal, state and administrative courts defending individual and corporate clients who have been investigated or charged with criminal, civil, or administrative and regulatory offenses. Mr. Surgent has successfully defended clients against such allegations as securities fraud, kick-back schemes, political corruption, bribery, organized crime, illegal gambling, consumer fraud, fraudulent healthcare claims, theft, kidnapping, murder, manslaughter, sex offenses, and other crimes of violence, as well as possessory and distribution drug offenses.
Mr. Surgent is well known for his work in the area of white collar criminal defense, and often handles high-profile matters which receive local, state, and national media attention. Over the span of his career, Mr. Surgent has defended individual and corporate clients against criminal investigations and prosecutions by a variety of federal agencies, including the United States Attorney’s Office, the United States Drug Enforcement Administration, the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, the United States Secret Service, the United States Treasury Department, the United States Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the United States Internal Revenue Service, and various White Collar and Organized Crime units. On the state and local level, Mr. Surgent has successfully defended individual and corporate clients against investigations and prosecutions by various County Prosecutors’ Offices, the New Jersey Attorney General’s Office, the Office of the Insurance Fraud Prosecutor, the Bureau of Securities, White Collar and Organized Crime Units, New Jersey Board of Medical Examiners and the New Jersey Board of Dentistry, in matters involving licensing issues and criminal complaints against Physicians and Dentists.
Prior to commencing the practice of law, Mr. Surgent served as a legislative liaison for the United States House of Representatives and as a member of the United States Senate Staff Committee, in Washington, D.C. As a well-regarded attorney in private practice, he was chosen to serve on former Governor James E. McGreevey’s Law and Public Safety and Criminal Justice Transition Team for the State of New Jersey. He was also selected for inclusion in the National Registry of Who’s Who of outstanding professionals in their respective fields, and was designated a New Jersey Super Lawyer in 2006, 2007, and 2008, in the area of Criminal Defense. Mr. Surgent has appeared as a commentator on TruTV formally known as CourtTV, and has appeared on nationally syndicated news programs concerning his work as a criminal defense attorney.
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:06:02 PM
Re: goodolboy post# 25390
Post # of 25414
DHSM - Looks like a good fit for a company that White Collar criminals have targeted in their manipulative naked short selling attempts!
Should get interesting!
Wouldn't want to be an illegal naked short holder moving forward.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:06:43 PM
Re: neophyte184 post# 25389
Post # of 25414
DHSM - I agree! Hoping to grab a little more before this begins to get away from us.
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:18:55 PM
Re: goodolboy post# 25393
Post # of 25414
Using a white collar criminal attorney to as the "lead attorney for our interests in Belize."
Hmmmm, doesn't sound good. - goodolboy
Doesn't sound good for the manipulative short sellers!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:21:27 PM
Re: None
Post # of 25414
DHSM - Short Volume for April 24th - 14%
20120424|DHSM|1875|0|13275|O
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:54:23 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25399
Post # of 25414
Wouldn't want to be manipulating the loopholes and not covering the short positions created by short selling. $2 coming sooner than later.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:33:36 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25402
Post # of 25414
I see. They're doing this before they've even designed the complex?
Sheesh. - janice shell
I guess I didn't catch that in the PR's.
Oh yeah, they never mentioned that they were holding off on designing the complex until retailers were committed.
Although, one would assume that the finer design detail would not be finalized until various retailers were committed.
Why would someone build a McDonald's if a McDonald's was not committed?
Same goes for some of the trademark designs for the likes of a NIKE or an A & F.
So if there are specific details the architects are waiting on, then it is smart business to do so.
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:36:56 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25403
Post # of 25414
Did he ever defend Larry Formato? - janice shell
If he did, I am sure the DD by those concerned will reveal such information.
I am NOT concerned with who the law group has defended, as much as those that commit white collar crime against OTC companies should be concerned with the legal representation this company is lining up to protect its interest and to advance its business plans.
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:59:47 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25406
Post # of 25414
Have you any idea how much time, and how many tens of millions of dollars, it would take to build this resort? - janice shell
Of course I do. Plenty of friends who are in the real-estate development business to consult. There are various retailers and business who require special considerations.
If a developer was courting such businesses in order to attract additional interested parties to bring "traffic" there would be some negotiation to final layout and final design for the vendors.
It is good that the development is being left to the experts and not the jacks of all trades.
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:24:23 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25408
Post # of 25414
This particular "developer" has no money that we know of. - janice shell
Commitments from retail vendors will change all of that, IMO.
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:53:27 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25410
Post # of 25414
Don't think so. They rent space. That's all. - janice shell
Not true. It is all about traffic and potential revenue for the vendors.
There are some retailers who will be willing to pay more for prime positioning in a development and/or wait until other vendors commit before committing themselves.
It is not as simple as "just renting space".
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:17:09 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25412
Post # of 25414
Permits, plat survey, and the basics for pre-construction are more than covered with $250K. Again, it is key who leases space first and where they chose to lease. That will impact not only the value per sq ft, but also whom else will be leasing and who won't.
If they sign a vendor who will bring guaranteed traffic, others will follow and be willing to pay premiums for prime lots/locations.
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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rc310q
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:13:05 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198612
Post # of 198677
I had stock that went belly up and 2 years later I took the write off with no problems. Just had to show proof of payment for stock and that my brokrage firm said that it was done and worth nothing.
I am keeping mine and waiting also for the big payoff.
GO FFGO!!!!!
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:32:47 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198648
Post # of 198679
It will become clearer and clearer as each move of the chess pieces takes place.......................
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:55:48 PM
Re: rc310q post# 198644
Post # of 198679
I am keeping mine, and so are a number of other large shareholders.
It must be very problematic for those responsible for those book markers in or accounts.
Margin payments continue to be required for all of those open short interest positions.
Tic Toc
varmit
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:24:28 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198679
trying to get a copy to prove to all here that bouse gold mine /with 18 lode claims is for sale in southern arizona for $6 billion usd ....
assay results were approx 10 million ounces of gold estimated
will post soon as they arrive !!!!!! blm buddies hard at work to help us solve this sale once and for all ...
and some say bouse has no gold !!! ha ha what a joke .... 10 million ounces minimum in fact .....
thats a pretty penny and when nmgl reports that sale that stock should fly to a sizeable amount.
varmy cares ,,,, they aint seen the last of me yet !!!!!!!!!!!!
varmit
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:28:28 PM
Re: varmit post# 198653
Post # of 198679
fyi !!!!!!! 4 sale !!!
south copperstone open pit mine /southern arizona ... with drilling results estimating the value of over 8 billion usd .....
blm helping get the sale docs for me to post soon as they arrive .......
although ...the cash divvy may be deposited in our brokerage accounts before i even get the selling doc posted !!!!!!!!!!!!!
time has come tic tok has almost stopped on this one !!!!!!
ya flea bittin varmits
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:30:42 PM
Re: varmit post# 198653
Post # of 198679
Looks like the Preferreds could pay up to 6 times the $0.003449 originally discussed. And that is just for the Blouse side of the equation!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:32:22 PM
Re: varmit post# 198654
Post # of 198679
And 8 times the value on the SC side!
Imagine that 14 times the $0.003449/share the assets are worth?
Shorty must be thrilled! LOL!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:38:22 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198658
Post # of 198680
Being revoked has no effect on the dividend process.
Sorry!
Tic Toc!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:48:00 PM
Re: varmit post# 198654
Post # of 198680
FFGO - Explains why Sloane was willing to pay $0.0035 for a $0.003449 dividend! Since it appears that the mines are now worth 14 times that!
$14B!!!
$0.04829 per share!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:50:14 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198661
Post # of 198680
Sorry, there is no divvy process, There is no company. FFGO is gone. No divvy was applied for, no divvy was issued. - puppydotcom
Dividend process still in play. Claims otherwise are just wishful fantasy thinking!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:51:48 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198663
Post # of 198680
Not true. According to NMGL, a regulatory action against FFGO is grounds for dividend process termination...and the SEC revocation of FFGO more than qualifies. - RoadLessTraveled
please provide proof that those "may be canceled" clauses have in fact been exercised.
Oh Wait...
There is no proof!
Just fantasy and wishful thinking that they have!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:53:41 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198664
Post # of 198680
because FFGO is gone .. and the mining asset went back to searchlight and ronnie boy - puppydotcom
Anything filed or reported to support such claims?
Oh Wait...
Nothing but fantasy and wishful thinking - ad nauseum!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:56:54 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198668
Post # of 198680
Damaging and libelous statements publicly leveled at NMGL, its Directors, Advisors and controlling stockholders could also trigger such termination. - puppydotcom
A coordinated distort campaign would also qualify for this clause, would it not?
The same coordinated and planned distort campaign would actually be stock manipulation and a violation of securities rules and regulations, would they not?
Possibly even RICO type violations.
Dividend Coming!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:02:57 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198670
Post # of 198681
"yes, indeed I do..
SEC wells letter
suspension,
FFGO revoked
corporation dissolved
company cell phone turned off
POBox mail drop canceled
TA dropped
RA dropped
insiders abandoned empty dirty shell
what you got?" - puppydotcom
Still waiting for proof of a filing or an email from the company canceling the dividend process as outlined in the FAQ's and the SEC Form 8-K filings.
Oh wait...
Nothing but fantasy and wishful thinking.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:07:14 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198603
Post # of 198681
You know all of those non-tape resets that we hear so much about? You know the ones that are the secret hidden legs of the trade?
Well...
It is very possible, and it is supported by FINRA's public documents to investors, that a non-tape short sale would not show up on the daily tape or the monthly report for short interest.
So it is also possible that one market maker short selling, and reporting on the daily, is then filled by another market maker short selling to them off the daily tape. This would not show up on the RegSho, per FINRA.
So grateful to those pointing out how the system can, and is likely gamed by the abusive naked short sellers who found a loophole in the reporting system. A loophole FINRA and the SEC has yet to close.
How short is FFGO due to these tactics?
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:08:46 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198673
Post # of 198681
Please provide the proof that the dividend process has been canceled. Oh yeah...
There is NO PROOF! Just fantasy claims!
No proof of cancelation clauses being exercised. In fact, company warned that claims not supported by the company should be ignored.
Quoting the short position and avoiding acknowledgement of the rest of the company's statements is interesting to say the least.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:17:07 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198677
Post # of 198681
did you pick up the phone, email or write FFGO and ask about this long over due fantasy divvy?
Oh Wait! - puppydotcom
Call the company. whats so hard about that. call them directly. they will tell you - Fire Lane
you are wrong. the company clearly stated to me that the dividend was cancelled. then they laughed and said they never had any intention of giving a dividend. - Fire Lane
Someone is making fantasy claims. Is it the company?
Oh wait...
The company stated clearly that they would not communicate with investors until the dividend record date was set.
Good Luck!
Tic Toc
Rocket Man
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:49:17 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198674
Post # of 198687
Per my data, massively short.
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
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LAMBSHIFT
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:18:22 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198689
Post # of 198705
assuming that "the insiders of NMGL... wind down and legally dissolve ...before the revoking", in my opinion they would be obliged to give back the B.+ S.C. shares to FFGO, because "NMGL is entitled to cancel these transactions..." in exchange for the preferred A and B shares - of course.
we should see a FORM 8-K filing.
now the B.+S.C. shares would be with FFGO/WDM again.
what about Searchlight Explor.? we know that "...Searchlight Explor. would in likelihood exercise its rights". but there is no obligation to exercise its rights. my assumption is: S.E. will not exercise its rights - you have to work with probabilities here.
now FFGO is allowed to sell the B.+S.C.shares and to divide the promised dividend as a liquidation dividend - law of the state of Wyoming.
realization of this scenario could bring a bigger dividend than the promised 0,003449 US-$ per shre FFGO.
LAMBSHIFT
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:23:28 AM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198691
Post # of 198707
liquidation preference A: 16,00 US-$ per share A,
liquidation preference B: 2,20 US-$ per share B
minus 5% to NMGL for handling the sale of the shares.
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:55:28 AM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198684
Post # of 198708
Per my calculations I would agree. Also, it has been pointed out how those that naked short sell can avoid reporting on the daily and the bimonthly short reports.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:06:52 AM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198691
Post # of 198709
That is why it is great to ALSO be a NMGL shareholder!
Good Luck!
mwab52
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:58:06 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198697
Post # of 198709
Is it divvy time yet? I'am holding and waiting.Hold onto those shares.(FFGO)
paunch13
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:00:04 AM
Re: mwab52 post# 198698
Post # of 198709
mwab52
Divi time should be happening at any time now
John
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:01:05 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198651
Post # of 198709
SevenTenEleven: Those margin payments have to be a real thorn in the side of those who are short. Here we are well over a year and month after month those payments have to be made. Many Americans have learned that it is no fun having to make mortgage payments on a house where the mortgage is greater than what the house can be sold for in the market. Those margin payments are giving the shortman a taste of his own medicine as the Wall Street criminals also contributed to the fraud in the real estate market which also hurt many honest folks just as naked shorting has. Sadly the regulators knew what was going on in the housing industry and allowed the problem and even encouraged more by creating liar loans which allowed people to purchase homes they could not afford or ever pay for. Very sad indeed. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:05:28 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198699
Post # of 198709
Have to be a shareholder to benefit from a possible $14B value of the mines!
Glad to have been able to add prior to the registration revocation!
Good Luck!
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:05:32 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198662
Post # of 198709
That would be awesome SevenTenEleven and would certainly explain the activity on this board. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
AKFish
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:07:52 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198702
Post # of 198711
My E*T account closed at rather high $ amount yesterday before correcting. Much inline with the anticipated divi amount. Perhaps it's the FFGO Divi ghost.
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:09:57 AM
Re: AlanC post# 198701
Post # of 198712
AlanC, Sure explains why the distort campaign continues to this day. Only way those short could get out from under those margin payments is to see retail shareholders write down their shares as worthless. This way, the brokers can legally remove those shares from their books and legally allow those short to close out their open short interest positions. As long as retail holds onto those markers, the short interest is OPEN!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:10:47 AM
Re: AKFish post# 198706
Post # of 198712
What was the value it closed at per share? $0.003449 or $0.04829?
Tic Toc
AKFish
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:14:21 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198709
Post # of 198712
minus my other holdings it would come out to .0061315155
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:14:26 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198707
Post # of 198712
claims of a suspended and revoked scam which last traded at .0001 being worth $14 Billion are clearly a scam. - alien42
Great to be a shareholder!
Imagine if the mines sell for $14B and in order to get those mines, the buyers have to purchase the preferreds WD is holding for shareholders? WOW!
That would be over $0.048/share! Now imagine all of the naked short interest shares that would need to be made whole! Will those abusive naked short sellers be on the hook for $10B in payments to retail shareholders refusing to write down their shares ahead of a minimum payment of $0.003449/share?
Thanks for all of the DD!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:15:17 AM
Re: AKFish post# 198710
Post # of 198713
Which is nearly double what the original value of the preferreds was stated as. Not bad!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:18:14 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198705
Post # of 198714
FFGO - Dividend COMING!
Short sellers will have a HUGE reverse of fortune!
Tic Toc
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:18:53 AM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198687
Post # of 198714
"One might think that if FFGO was massively short that someone would have used that incontrovertible evidence and used it against the NSS-ers by now." Road Less Traveled
I agree with you and they have. That is what the agreed upon dividend is all about. I strongly believe that amount was negotiated and approved by the company and regulators and deemed to be fair in light of the size of the naked short against the company.
Think about it a court case would have taken 5-10 years to resolve on one hand and if the regulators had ordered a buyin as provided for it could have bankrupted many brokerage firms. The dividend solution will punish those guilty and compensate those who were damaged and yet allow for closure in such a way as not to destroy confidence in our markets.
A win win solution especially when it provides for an increase in the return if it is dragged out. Works for me. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:13:43 PM
Re: None
Post # of 1194
The Unaudited 9/30/11 Financial Statements are very well prepared and the audit should not be difficult to get completed imo.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/financialReportViewer?symbol=GNCP&id=67859
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:15:56 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 1178
Post # of 1194
NOTE 18. SUBSEQUENT EVENTS UNAUDITED
The Company evaluated all events or transactions that occurred after September 30, 2011 up through date the Company issued these financial statements. During this period, the Company had the following material recognizable subsequent events.
On December 1, 2011, certain of the Company’s Stockholders’ entered into Stock Trading & Disposal Restriction Agreements with the Company, accounting for an amount of 145,718,220 shares of the Company’s Common Stock, representing 71.74% of the Company’s outstanding shares of Common Stock; on the following conditions:
- These shares of the Corporation’s Common Stock shall not be available to be assigned, pledged, sold, lent or in any way alienated for a period of 2 (two) years commencing
from the date of their issue. These shares are restricted under Regulation 144 and shall be held “on book” by the Transfer Agent to the Corporation; for an on behalf of the Stockholder. The Stockholder shall not be permitted to request these shares of the
Corporation’s Common Stock, in certificated form, until the expiration of the 2 (two) years from the date of their issue to the Stockholder. Thereafter they are permitted to dispose no more than 5% (Five percent) of their shares of the Company’s Common Stock every 3 (Three) months thereafter.
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:18:32 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1176
Post # of 1194
A reading of the 9/30/11 Unaudited Financial Statements indicates that GNCP is a lot more closely held than by just 2 individuals.
I read the entire statement a few days ago. Interesting stuff.
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:20:35 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 1178
Post # of 1194
The bottom line is that the Financial Statements for 9/30/11 have been prepared. They just need the Audit Opinion letter attached to them!!
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:45:03 PM
Re: moe_the_gyp01 post# 1177
Post # of 1194
It's not the first Penny Stock to lose one-half of its pps in one day....lol.
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:01:00 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1184
Post # of 1194
Re-read the Financial Statements. What you posted is incorrect. Hint: Pay special attention to the Subsequent Events footnote.
AlanC
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:24:15 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 1185
Post # of 1194
FINRA short sale report for GNCP
20120424|GNCP|178600|0|887700|O
20.1% of today's volume was reported short sales!
Go GNCP!!!
Lebron23
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:56:48 PM
Re: JammingJAY post# 1191
Post # of 1194
The FAQ's at the GNCP Website will answer all the questions you just posed.
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:25:38 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198708
Post # of 198716
I hope all FFGO shareholders are monitoring their accounts to make sure their shares are still there:
Certain types of conduct in the securities industry are prohibited, including the following:
Removing funds or securities from a customer's account without the customer's prior authorization.
http://www.finra.org/Investors/ProtectYourself/BeforeYouInvest/ProhibitedConduct/
Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:36:44 AM
Re: AlanC post# 198716
Post # of 198719
AlanC, I could see the brokers attempting to pull shares out of shareholders' accounts ahead of the dividend payment. Millions of dollars worth of losses would be realized by the brokers if they in fact can't back those IOU's with certs that will be receiving the payment.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:53:51 AM
Re: medchal post# 198720
Post # of 198722
There are no margin requirements, let alone margin "payments", on a revoked stock, because any number multiplied by the share price of $ 0.00000000 is zero. There is no remaining danger that the stock can run, because it can't even trade, and nobody but a few misguided people here pays any attention to that non-dividend. - medchal
Sorry! But anyone and everyone who knows anything about shorting on margin knows that the margin interest is based upon the moneys borrowed to short the initial position. Not the current value of the stock.
If shorted at $0.0001, that is what the shorts are paying interest on.
Interesting that fantasy information is now being claimed regarding how margin interest is calculated.
The fantasies never end!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:12:19 PM
Re: medchal post# 198723
Post # of 198729
Strange that FFGO shares are still reflected in the total value in my account(s).
Dividend Coming!
Good Luck!
mwab52
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:15:02 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198725
Post # of 198729
Thats why we are here because (FFGO) is gone.Right? hahaha! Time to get those divvys.Hold onto those shares.(FFGO)
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:35:14 PM
Re: medchal post# 198727
Post # of 198729
FFGO is gone... Guess what ...Wrong! The shares remain in all our accounts and cannot be removed without our permission or it will violate a FINRA regulation which I posted earlier today. As long as the shares are in our accounts the liability remains to anyone who is short. The shorts thought BCIT was gone too and after 7 long years are about to participate in its resurrection. 1.3 billion sold against a float of 1 million and an outstanding of 4 million. Stay tuned as the pendulum is finally swinging back on the shortman! Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:39:17 PM
Re: medchal post# 198727
Post # of 198734
Sorry but Shorty's fantasy of tax write off are not coming to close out his open short interest!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:42:31 PM
Re: AlanC post# 198729
Post # of 198736
AlanC, fantasy claims of shorts not having to cover for a revoked stock and margin payments ceasing because the quoted value is ZERO are entertaining at best.
Looking forward to Varmit's documentation on the sale of the assets!
Lebron23
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:52:18 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 198737
The naivete about the massive short selling situation vis-a-vis FFGO is astounding imo.
Dividend is Locked and Loaded.....we will see what happens with the short sellers of FFGO.
All I know is.....I would not want to be short right now...could be hammer time soon!
paunch13
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:01:02 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 198736
Post # of 198738
Lebron23
The way I understand it is that it is now just a mater of time before FFGO pays the divis
John
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
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AlanC
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:11:23 PM
Re: op9171787 post# 151120
Post # of 151167
Ms youns@sec.gov lacked the common courtesy to respond to my email.
She is a public servant and should be fired for her actions and her failures to act imho. Go BCIT!!!
AlanC
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:12:54 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151117
Post # of 151168
Correct there is no comparison, what the brokerage firms did and did not do is far worse imho. Go BCIT!!!
janice shell
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:13:36 PM
Re: AlanC post# 151121
Post # of 151168
Ms youns@sec.gov lacked the common courtesy to respond to my email.
How many times have you written to her?
oooooo
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:25:37 PM
Re: None
Post # of 151168
O 2 by Email 2 by paper got Zip back!
The big time
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:08:56 PM
Re: AlanC post# 151122
Post # of 151168
A lot of shares were sold and a lot of money was spent buying those shares. The money did not go to the company or to Tom Megas or anyone else in the company. So someone made money here and never delivered what they sold. It is as simple as that.
lollybella
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:03:50 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151123
Post # of 151168
shoudn't ONCE be ENOUGH???? Many of us have written to her ONCE and have received ZERO response!
janice shell
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:04:58 PM
Re: lollybella post# 151129
Post # of 151168
Probably she has work to do.
lollybella
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:05:55 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151130
Post # of 151169
and OBVIOUSLY she isn't doing it!
janice shell
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:07:25 PM
Re: lollybella post# 151131
Post # of 151169
Her job does not consist of replying to hundreds of repetitive letters from BCIT shareholders. Do you seriously think she doesn't have other assignments? She may not even be working on BCIT anymore.
But of course you believe that BCIT should be at the center of everyone's universe.
The big time
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:07:46 PM
Re: The big time post# 151126
Post # of 151169
Everyone can reflect on what happened here.
BCIT had about 4M total shares when Mario Pino, individually and through various affiliated entities and co-conspirators issued 235,000,000 counterfeit shares in 20 certificates. These Wrongfully Issued Shares were then distributed to various individuals and entities who held brokerage accounts at Capital Growth Financial, LLC and/or JH Darbie & Co.
BCIT sued Pino and various Defendants. JH Darbie & Co. and Capital Growth Financial, LLC intervened in the lawsuit. JH Darbie & Co. alleged that it accepted the certificates from the Defendants in good faith and did not know at the time that these certificates were counterfeit. JH Darbie & Co. delivered the Counterfeit certificates to its clearing broker, NF Clearing for sale. JH Darbie & Co, alleged that NF Clearing delivered the certificates to the DTC which delivered them to BCIT's transfer agent for re-registration. Once the DTC was advised by BCIT that counterfeit shares were issued the DTC suspended all services with respect to BCIT shares other than custody. The DTC demanded replacement certificates from NF Clearing.
JH Darbie & Co. attempted to purchase replacement certificates in the open market and tried to buy 6,668,500 shares for which it paid $118,297.59. JH Darbie & Co alleges that it never received those shares because the market was flooded with counterfeit shares and there were no valid shares available to purchase.
Pursuant to this lawsuit and in Settlement of the lawsuit “New Shares” were issued by BCIT to JH Darbie & Co and Capital Growth Financial LLC. There were 25,025,000 shares issued to JH Darbie & Co and 219,723,000 shares were issued to Capital Growth Financial, LLC that constituted the New Shares.
In the settlement agreement with respect to the 25,025,000 shares that BCIT issued to JH Darbies & Co, BCIT took the steps as were reasonably necessary and appropriate to ensure that such New Shares, among other things, were:
a) Reasonably acceptable to the DTC for deposit therein in satisfaction of NF Clearing/JH Darbie’s open short position; and
b) Reasonably acceptable to NF Clearing in satisfaction of JH Darbie & Co’s obligation for the 25,025,000 shares.
The New Shares were not restricted shares i.e. freely tradable without legal or equitable restriction and without adverse claim under UCC article 8.
With respect to the 25,025,000 shares that BCIT issued to JH Darbie & Co, BCIT would not seek to instruct its transfer agent to impose any stops or stop transfer orders on these New Shares or on any shares that flow therefrom and BCIT would not assert any adverse claim against such new shares.
So the counterfeit shares were resolved by BCIT issuing shares to take care of what was cleared and sold in the open market. BCIT received payment for those shares which amounted to what the Capital Growth Financial and JH Darbie & Co. received when they sold those shares into the market. Still after all those counterfeit shares were covered we still have a tremendous short. The New Shares were supposed to have the 205 cusip since that would distinguish them from the counterfeit shares that were put into the market.
The New Shares as defined in the Settlement Agreement were deemed to be exempt from registration under Section 3(a)(10) of the Securities Act of 1933 and exempt from registration in the State of Nevada pursuant to Nev. Rev. Stat. Section 90.530(10) or (11).
If I was a broker I would be demanding JH Darbie & Co and Capital Growth Financial explain what happened to those certificated shares. No matter which way you spin it there appears to be a huge short here.
janice shell
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:12:42 PM
Re: The big time post# 151133
Post # of 151169
Once again: By the time Darbie and Capital Growth got those shares, the stock had long been chilled by DTCC. They wouldn't have accepted the certs for deposit.
The big time
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:23:55 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151135
Post # of 151169
That is why they were to be freely trading and at the time the court order went into effect accepting the settlement a new cusip was issued. Either way the settlement was worked out so the shares at least to JH Darbie were acceptable to the DTC. It is right there in the settlement agreeement. NF Clearing/JH Darbie needed those shares acceptable to the DTC to satisfy their open short position. That is what their attorney had in the settlement agreement. That settlement Agreement was signed in December 2005 and the Court Order Approving the Settlement Agreement was signed by the Judge on January 6, 2006. It was officially logged into the Court on January 11, 2006.
op9171787
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:25:15 PM
Re: AlanC post# 151121
Post # of 151169
YES, she has known about BCIT for years afaik. years. what has she done? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? And you should talk to her on the phone - arrogant robot. of course if i was an exec for Etrade or TDameritrade i am sure she would cooing & blushing...
OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE SCRAPPED TOTALLY AND A NEW ONE PUT IN.
The big time
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:32:49 PM
Re: The big time post# 151133
Post # of 151169
Once again, like I said over and over again no matter how anyone wants to try to spin this there appears to be a huge naked short out there. Many of us have shares in brokerage accounts for which there are no certificates. BCIT covered the counterfeit shares but I guess that did stop some market makers from continuing to naked short BCIT.
ohbull2000
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:42:52 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151135
Post # of 151169
OR JS... they are just sitting on all those...
certificated 244 million (give or take) BCIT shares huh? After all, CG & Darbie paid for them, 106 certs were cut, the brokers (customers)who bought shares from CG (in particular) nor the DTCC never got them... so where are they?
Could CG & Darbie just be waiting per chance? Hoping the BCIT issue would just fade away and they wouldn't have to do anything with them? The brokers, by now, aren't making any effort to get them... why bother... BCIT will just fade away eventually and those shares will have NO value?
But, what if? what if those shares have value (beyond what CG & Darbie paid BCIT for them, as we all know) wouldn't it be prudent for the brokers who bought from CG actually get those certificated 106s for their clients?
Now if the brokers are thinking that Darbie & CG deposited those shares, to cover their fraudulent selling "Oops!", then the brokers are mistaken! Darbie & CG never did anything but tuck those certs away!
Sooo... there are 244 million legit 106s out there (not enough to cover all believe me) but still a very tidy sum that I, and others, feel the brokers should be made aware of don't you?
CH has uncovered many amazing things, but when you boil it all down, this is quite an amazing issue. All this time, all the rhetoric, finger pointing etc., and it turns out CG et al never registered or processed those 244 M shares... NO Where To Be Seen?
Maybe CG is hoping BCIT will become of true value again and they can cash in a bit? who knows, but I think their clients should know they have those 106s , don't you?
janice shell
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:51:25 PM
Re: ohbull2000 post# 151146
Post # of 151169
Sorry. I don't deal in fantasy.
Sprycel
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:56:05 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151147
Post # of 151169
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOO!!! THAT IS THE BEST POST ON THE BCIT BOARD ALL DAY!!!
camper9
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:50:52 PM
Re: ohbull2000 post# 151146
Post # of 151169
Now there is an interesting view...
Quote:
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Maybe CG is hoping BCIT will become of true value again and they can cash in a bit? who knows, but I think their clients should know they have those 106s , don't you?
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camper9
Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:52:38 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151147
Post # of 151169
Oh, but your messages appear to do so. Fantasy in BCIT. Every day.
Quote:
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Sorry. I don't deal in fantasy
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ohbull2000
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:35:05 AM
Re: janice shell post# 151151
Post # of 151169
Fantasy? Hmmm... Then fantasy me this and riddle...
me that. Where are those 244M BCIT shares at? Was the jumbo cert they received (CG in particular) written with disappearing ink? Because the cert was issued and there's no forensic trail for it/them beyond their travels to CG and Darbie.
You forget, we have the Broadridge NOBO lists now, up-to-date and from back in '08.
Now as you opinioned, maybe the DTCC sent them back; ok, to whom? Not BCIT certainly, we'd know, if the DTC had ever received and sent back the cert(s) CG would have ended up with them huh?
Now, if CG had decided on some type of unilateral action, since the chill prevented DTC clearing activities, to bust up the jumbo BCIT cert and send appropriate shares to their clients (the brokers) there would be a forensic trail of that. CG would have had to send the jumbo back to the T/A with specific instructions on how to divvy it up. Working with Empire I know how the process works quite well; and there is only one way to cut/issue smaller certs from a bigger one. But, again, there is NO forensic trail to show CG doing this.
Until proven otherwise, CG and Darbie are sitting on those certificated 106 shares,only plausible argument IMO. The FUD spread tends to bury certain very clear cut points in BCITland; time takes it toll and some consider fact to be fiction/fantasy I suppose
CH is relentless, if you hadn't noticed, and sooooo much time has passed since '06 that people need a reminder, CH does that.
Joda
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:26:08 AM
Re: The big time post# 151145
Post # of 151169
"no matter how anyone wants to try to spin this there appears to be a huge naked short out there."
But, but, isn't naked shorting illegal?
And it was NSS'ed with full knowledge...kinda of hard to believe otherwise given the size of the NSS.
And why do the criminal NSS'ers have such support?
Is it against the law to knowingly aid a person in a crime, or in trying to cover-up that crime?
Is that an illegal act that they are supporting with bcit?
So some have broken the law!
Why aren't the cops responding to the arrest call?
Why are the accomplishes not being arrested?
These are the questions any reasonable and real investor of bcit wants to know.
Not all the spin.
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:07:11 AM
Re: ohbull2000 post# 151152
Post # of 151169
Sounds like there may be enough evidence available for a so inclined shareholder who has tried but failed to obtain his shares in certificate form to bring suit against CG and Darbie. Of course the regulators could remedy this travesty of justice in a heartbeat if they exerted their authority. Do we have any honest regulators in the system who have the courage to see this resolved? Go BCIT!!!
CarltonH
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:09:54 AM
Re: carrot_on_stick post# 151109
Post # of 151169
it's called PREM and it pertains to worthless securities
PERM is DTCC programmes that elates to non-transferable paper certificates.
Non-transferable certificates are those for which the service of a transfer agent is no longer available. You may have noticed that BCIT has a transfer agent called Empire Stock Transfer.
It is still a prohibited action under FINRA regs for a broker to remove shares from a clients account without their prior permission.
That is why FINRA have forced brokers to restore shares to the accounts of several BCIT investors.
Next
CarltonH
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:16:46 AM
Re: janice shell post# 151132
Post # of 151169
Youns may not even be working on BCIT anymore.
She was yesterday.
However you do make a good point in that she has other cases other than BCIT, although, in view of the number of people involved and the scale of NSS involved in the BCIT case, the other cases are not likely to be as big.
CarltonH
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:19:54 AM
Re: lollybella post# 151110
Post # of 151169
The difference is that our brokers DON'T HAVE OUR FREAKING CERTS!
No they dont, as you said, cant shred what they never had!
CarltonH
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:35:47 AM
Re: camper9 post# 151113
Post # of 151169
The OK court case is really irrelevant.
It is a fact that brokers sold millions of shares to their customers at a time when the total public float was 1,097,632 and DTCC only had 645,806 shares.
It is a fact that at the material time of these trades the brokers were not able to obtain and deliver the shares they sold to their customers.
It is a fact that despite this the brokers didn't break the trades during the T+3 period and continued to trade huge volumes regardless.
Joda
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:39:31 AM
Re: None
Post # of 151169
BCIT REAL investors = 100% game on
Criminal NSS'ers and their SpinMeisters = 0% headed for investigators
"Looking Good Billy Ray, feeling fine Valentine"
as CH so eloquently puts it, Next...
camper9
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:13:36 AM
Re: CarltonH post# 151163
Post # of 151169
That certainly sounds to me like the brokers were intent on what they were doing, in spite of the loud spin to the contrary.
Quote:
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The OK court case is really irrelevant.
It is a fact that brokers sold millions of shares to their customers at a time when the total public float was 1,097,632 and DTCC only had 645,806 shares.
It is a fact that at the material time of these trades the brokers were not able to obtain and deliver the shares they sold to their customers.
It is a fact that despite this the brokers didn't break the trades during the T+3 period and continued to trade huge volumes regardless.
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CarltonH
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:25:14 AM
Re: camper9 post# 151165
Post # of 151169
The brokers were intent on what they were doing
Agreed
Fact: The Total Volume Traded in 2005: 2,076,500,035.
Fact: The daily Average traded was: 24,429,412
Fact: The float was only 1,097,632
CarltonH
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:36:14 AM
Re: camper9 post# 151167
Post # of 151169
A picture speaks a thousand words.
As an art historian I am sure JS will appreciate the beauty of this masterpiece.
Joda
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:43:16 AM
Re: camper9 post# 151167
Post # of 151169
Can't wait for that BCIT graph to be presented, supported and proven in court of law.
Once the legal end is accomplished, than we need the media.
BCIT is a good start...but the vermin must be extinguished.
op9171787
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:48:59 AM
Re: CarltonH post# 151161
Post # of 151170
youns@sec.gov --- ask SEC to do their job on BCIT.
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:25:13 PM
Re: mastaflash post# 151172
Post # of 151181
Speaking of the roles participants played here is one of them:
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:49 AM
Subject: DTCC NEWS
Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. announced that Michael Bodson would succeed Donald Donahue as chief executive on July 1.
Mr. Donahue, who is 61 years old and has led the clearing, processing and settlement company since 2006, will retire at the end of July. Mr. Bodson, 54, joined the company in 2007 after a 20-year career at Morgan Stanley. He is currently DTCC's chief operating
officer.
DTCC, owned by a group of banks and brokerage firms, is a back-office player in stocks, bonds and derivatives contracts. The New York cooperative provides custody and asset servicing for nearly 3.7 million securities issues valued at $39.5 trillion. DTCC also stands to play a role as provisions of the Dodd-Frank Act of 2010 is implemented in coming months, bringing large changes to the over-the-counter derivatives market.
Chief Executive Donald Donahue is stepping down in July.
Rumors have circulated over the years about an initial public offering of DTCC, but the company has never filed papers. In 2008 and 2009, DTCC held merger discussions with trans-Atlantic counterpart LCH.Clearnet Group Ltd. But the talks fell apart, and LCH this year proposed a deal to sell a majority stake of itself to the London Stock Exchange Group PLC. LSE.LN +0.28%
In an interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday, Mr. Bodson said: "There are no plans to go public." He said he is focused on maintaining the reliability of DTCC's platforms amid the evolving regulatory landscape.
DTCC's business putting together trades on Wall Street occasionally calls for it to make margin calls to a trader or firm in trouble, in an effort to protect itself and the financial system more broadly. This happened last fall at DTCC and other clearinghouses when brokerage firm MF Global Holdings Ltd. collapsed and filed for bankruptcy protection.
The board of DTCC made its initial decision to promote Mr. Bodson in February and made a final decision regarding the timing at a meeting last week.
Go BCIT!!!
mastaflash
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:17:44 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151179
Post # of 151183
if Megas had reported Pino's activities to the SEC in late May or early June, this whole mess might well have been avoided - Maybe so, but you must admit, putting money on possible actions by the SEC, especially back then, would be a fools errand. More likely they would have done nothing at all...consider the Maddoff case...all the warnings and tipoffs...and it still took 18 years to nail him.
mastaflash
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:20:45 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151179
Post # of 151183
volume dropped after 11 August - But not zero. What trading was going on that was NOT DTCC cleared? How were they cleared? After the 'chill', the volume was still much greater than the float...even assuming the entire float was 'loosely' held, which of course, is not at all the case.
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:21:41 PM
Re: mastaflash post# 151181
Post # of 151183
There really isn't any comparison to the Madoff case. First of all, Madoff didn't have a public company. Second, Madoff didn't complain about himself.
Generally speaking, the SEC does listen when a CEO says his stock's been hijacked.
5T WD haha
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janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:17:22 PM
Re: padutch40 post# 151225
Post # of 151254
Can't sue Bob Greene.
allezlOM
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:18:54 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151226
Post # of 151254
Everybody can be sued... even here on this board, but one thing at the right time ![]()
allezlOM
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:21:11 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151226
Post # of 151254
Time to raise your burqa to face the truth, at least for your moral integrity.
padutch40
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:21:26 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151226
Post # of 151254
Is this like when you told me that there was no such thing as a naked short sale???
Of course he can be sued!
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:22:39 PM
Re: allezlOM post# 151227
Post # of 151254
There are rules concerning Federal agencies and their employees. AlanC will bring up the possibility of a Bivens action, but they're very hard to win, and one would be inappropriate in this case.
Poor Bob Greene didn't violate your civil rights.
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:27:39 PM
Re: padutch40 post# 151229
Post # of 151255
And when did I tell you that? Never, is my guess.
Bob Greene is an SEC employee who works for the Consumer Education department. He's none nothing to you personally, and has made no decisions of any kind regarding the BCIT matter.
Sheesh.
padutch40
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:27:54 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151230
Post # of 151255
Yep there are rules for everything and I'd say poor Bob broke a few...lol
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:29:00 PM
Re: padutch40 post# 151233
Post # of 151255
What, exactly, would you sue him FOR? You do need causes of action, you know.
padutch40
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:29:40 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151232
Post # of 151255
Long time ago...maybe it was a different Janice Shell back then
padutch40
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:31:19 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151234
Post # of 151255
Now now Janice why would I tell you that, for goodness sake girl
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:32:21 PM
Re: padutch40 post# 151236
Post # of 151255
Because you, um, can't think of any appropriate causes of action? That'd be my guess.
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:44:30 PM
Re: jb1967lbk post# 151242
Post # of 151255
Krazy Al would probably do it on the cheap, but you get what you pay for.
That said, I can think of no way in which Greene could possibly have violated the civil rights of anyone here.
oooooo
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:08:50 PM
Re: janice shell post# 151226
Post # of 151255
Any one can sue a judge for abuse of power but not But not Bob Greene For abuse of power Come on so he is above the law allso.
Just how many are above the law here? If you are talking about it I should be able to talk back and say what I think about it to.
janice shell
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:16:12 PM
Re: oooooo post# 151247
Post # of 151255
What? He doesn't have any power. So how could he possibly abuse it?
ptcgolf
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:20:46 PM
Re: None
Post # of 151255
Hmmm...lots of posts but nothing of substance...par for the course with shell and our newest moron from the cmkx board....experts on everything(well as much as they can google)....back to cleaning out the barn...8 dead rats so far....2 with one shot!
BigMoneyAtl
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:41:12 PM
Re: None
Post # of 151255
There are rules for everyone but it is ok for fed employee to lie in writing. In other words, are they untouchable??? DTC/brokers say "jump", and SEC's answer would be "how high"
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:52:43 PM
Re: camper9 post# 151200
Post # of 151255
camper: The brokerage firms don't feel the need to use real shares.
Doing that could be expensive. It is much easier just to sell sell sell markers pocket the money and then just hide the shorts in ex-clearing. I wonder if anyone has ever asked the firms that audit these brokerage firms if they realize the potential liability they are exposing themselves to by not doing a proper audit? I also wonder how the Sarbanes Oxley documents are being filed. Perhaps we as a group could send registered letters to all the Directors of say the largest 5 publicly traded brokerage firms with a summary of our situation and asking if they are aware of this in light of the requirements of Sarbanes Oxley?
I think BCIT has bent over backwards in an attempt to provide an opportunity to remedy this travesty. We now have to take action that will put them on notice that this is not going away and they better solve the problem now. I think putting the Directors of these publicly traded firms on notice might just shake things up a bit. Even though I am sure the Directors are covered by insurance that insurance will not protect them once they have knowledge of criminal acts and fail to address them imho. With documented evidence from shareholders it is time to take off the kid gloves. Go BCIT!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act
5T WD haha
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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:28:23 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 2514
Post # of 2521
Sinclair – Shorts Now Trapped & Gold Could Gap Up to $3,000 -
April 25, 2012, at 11:09 am
by Eric King in the category King World News
Sinclair—Gold could hit $3000 - American Advisor Precious Metals Market Update
04.25.12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH0v2mPV2As
With central banks continuing to buy significant amounts of gold,
China agreeing to settle commerce with Iran in gold, and a
possible conflict between Israel and Iran looming, legendary
investor Jim Sinclair says gold prices could rise to $3000.
Chart 2: US Federal Budget (Surplus or Deficit As A % of GDP,
12 Month Moving Average) and Gold London P.M. Fixed
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GOLD Miners Have A New Golden Cross Buy Bull Signal Again -
....think the 666-fed announcement tomorrow will probably break GOLD
out of this holding pattern....
Note.
Some LT shareholders are happy about a drop
down shareprice to be able to average out -
and buy more a low undervalued & oversold price -
Welcome with your opinions CALVF Update -
go forward target Au 100,000oz/year -
Caledonia Mining Corp. (CALVF) GOLD $521.-/oz one of the
lowest cost Gold producer strategic bargain play -
Presentations 2012
04-18-2012 Global Mining Finance Spring Conference, London -
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04-02-2012 Caledonia 2011 Annual and Q4 Results presentation -
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2011
12-06-2011 Blanket Mine: A Photographic Tour 2011 -
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Lost Kingdoms of Africa: Zimbabwe part 1 -
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thanks for all opinion fyi........
more opinions & a board mark is very much appreciated -
thanks in advance ....
Ex. by a shareholder -
I like the fact that they have $10 mln in cash,
ZERO long-term debt, a
P/E of 3.6, significant increases in their production
estimates for 2012, and
a share price equal to book value.
They made as much money as United States Silver last year and
only have a market cap of $45 mln compared to $110 mln for
USSIF.
They will more than double their sales in 2012 giving them a
forward P/E of about 1.8!
Whoopee!
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2. "I think we have opportunity to buy a 5 buck stock for
pennies on a dollar as I see things". I am in agreement, but
folks need to realize it wont happen over night.
by realest,
3. CALVF - Looking for a bounce off the bottom here. Near 52-week lows.
Could be a serious runner on news.
by SevenTenEleven
CALVF NAMA Konkola Neigbor Konkola Copper Mines unit in
the Copperbelt, Zambia - one of the Richest Copper
Belts in the World -
has inaugurated a new US$100 million concentrator at its
Nchanga open cut Vedata copper mine -
The copper cathode - REC brand is a Grade A from the refinery
at Nkana and is listed on the London Metal Exchange.
The KBC product is a Grade A product from the Tailings Leach
Plant tank houses in Chingola, undergoing LME
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produced from the Nkana refinery have a purity level of
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These cathodes meet international quality standards and are
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Konkola Copper Mines KCM also produces a Kabundi copper
cathode, which is marketed as
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being registered with the LME.
Cobalt -
With the commissioning of KCM's new Nchanga smelter,
KCM Konkola Copper Mines is able to recover cobalt in copper
concentrates.
This cobalt, which is produced in the form of a copper-cobalt
alloy, is marketed to cobalt processing plants.
In addition to cobalt alloy, the Company produces cobalt.
Cobalt concentrate is derived from cobalt ore that is mined at
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Caledonia reveals exciting new aspect at Nama project -
12 March 2012 | 10:00am
StockMarketWire.com -
Caledonia Mining has revealed a new and very
exciting aspect to the Nama copper/cobalt project in Zambia.
It said the latest drilling results differed markedly in
mineralisation style to other properties in the region in that
the zone.
It says this zone of mineralisation occurs at relatively shallow
depth relative to the depth of the ore shale in the area and
possibly extends to surface.
Chief executive and president Stefan Hayden said:
"A sufficiently large, near-surface resource depth may
therefore provide the basis for a future open-pit mining
operation.
"The 2012 exploration programme will commence as soon as the
rains and ground condition allow during the second quarter.
"The results should allow us to confirm and further refine our
model of Nama's geology and copper resources potential."
Caledonia has sufficient cash to complete the 2012 exploration
programme and intends to manage its cash resources so that it
can undertake further work at Nama without raising new equity.
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At 10:00am: (LON:CMCL) share price was +0.25p at 7.75p
Story provided by StockMarketWire.com
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CALVF major shareholder Sheldon Inwentash, Bought added
another 50,000 shares for himself privately after
the NAMA N/R -
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dd.....
Caledonia Mining's Blanket Gold Mine producing
Gold 40,000oz/year - target Au 100,000 ounces -
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dd....CALVF Gold Mine producer bargain play -
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Vianna
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:13:32 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198749
Post # of 198764
The future is still unknown and I, not only because I am a shareholder with $17K in this, can only hope and pray for the BEST here.
I would never be fulfilled by anything going wrong or "look forward" to being able to say (if this does not work out that is) "I told you so."
That's just ME...
paunch13
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:55:56 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 198764
I am with you vianna, all the way with FFGO and we will sometime soon get out divis
John
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:46:48 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198749
Post # of 198765
you bet, looking forward to see when people will finally get the picture a fantasy divvy from a revoked, abandoned, dirty, dissolved, defunct company called FFGO ..
No divvy is coming! - puppydotcom
Still waiting for documentation to support fantasy claims of dividend being canceled!
Dividend Coming!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:00:37 PM
Re: newtrader2007 post# 198753
Post # of 198765
FFGO - Dividend coming!
Naked short sellers will pay their dues!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:05:12 PM
Re: newtrader2007 post# 198753
Post # of 198765
Shareholders protecting their investment!
Great to see that for FFGO and for other OTC stocks that are targets of manipulative short selling!
Naked short sellers will pay dearly!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:34:04 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198765
Post # of 198770
FFGO share holders have no investment. - puppydotcom
Sorry! Shares still in my account. Dividend process has not been canceled by the company, by the SEC, or by State of Wyoming.
Please provide a statement from Company, the SEC, or the State of Wyoming specifically stating that the dividend process for FFGO will not proceed.
FINRA has made it clear that the state of incorporation governs what a company can and can't do, AT ALL TIMES! State of Wyoming Statutes protect the dividend process.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:01:22 PM
Re: OldBen post# 198758
Post # of 198770
Agreed!
In the cross-fire are the shareholders whom neither FINRA, the SEC, nor the DOJ seem to care about once they are fleeced by short selling manipulators.
Tic Toc
"It is amazing that we get 60-100+ posts a day here at FFGO. Virtually every poster that has posted here IMO has some financial interest in posting. So, you might say there is a lot of financial interest that still exists at FFGO. Revoked or not, FFGO has a lot of "pent-up" activity that will need to be resolved one way or the other."~OldBen
OldBen
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:20:00 PM
Re: maddog gene post# 1123
Post # of 1201
7 trading days later we are at .02 A long term NSS play is fine if confined to 5-10% of your portfolio for ALL NSS plays. GNCP may have NSS, but, it also has no cash and no near term viable prospects IMO.
AlanC
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:52:58 PM
Re: AlanC post# 1189
Post # of 1201
FINRA short sales reported for GNCP
20120425|GNCP|3800|0|169000|O
.022% of totals volume was short sales
Go GNCP!!!
Bull Finch
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:43:11 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 7423
Post # of 7432
"they have not broken any SEC rules"
"squeaky clean" not like some people we know!
Posted by: tride93 Date: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:15:38 AM
In reply to: Vianna who wrote msg# 157574 Post # of 157583
Vianna,
When I first posted, I took some heat from some posters about having my lawyer do DD. He could not find anything on these guys that indicated they ever have done anything remotely unlawful. I still stand by that (today more than ever). Here's why:
One of the people I know who invested in FFGO is a retired Police Officer. He has more investigative experience than ANYONE I know. On August 26th he did an extensive investigation of Lumb, Lowenthal, Bezzano and the others. He stated on the morning of August 27th, everything he found proved them to be squeaky clean. He, also, has checked them out in Europe and South Africa and they are clean.
NO ONE is liked by everyone. Some people don't like people with money. Some people also make money by making outrageous comments. It seems that the only negative things are of a personal nature and are not illegal or unethical. They have done nothing to be put in jail over or even to be charged with anything. They're only guilty of one thing: Trying to be good businessmen. SO, far, that is not a punishable offense.
I do not fear an SEC inquiry because in my opinion, they have not broken any SEC rules. In the event they have, I do not think it was intentional or of a criminal nature. Although to the laymen, not revealing that Lowenthal was Sloane and NMGL was wrong, it may not have been illegal. In fact, it may have been done that way in order for it to be legal. I am not knowledgeable enough to make that judgement. Ethically speaking, I do not agree with not revealing that info, but I can't put anyone in jail or fine them for doing things I think are unethical.
I do find them guilty of only one count. Not communicating with the shareholders. However, this is not illegal. All this drama could have been avoided if they would have come out on the 17th and said, "Due to the complexity of this transaction and the need to evaluate the final draft of the sales agreement, we request your patience until August 31st to have our final package completed along with any questions you may have. We will answer these questions and reveal the final draft of the sales agreement in an email to our shareholders at that time. In the event additional time is required, we will notify you of the revised date. We appreciate your patience and understanding."
That was easy and would have saved a lot of head aches for everyone.
The negatives on the Forum are a small number in the stockholders (Maybe not even stockholders). We should all step back and take a deep breathe. No one should do anything without taking pause. "We do not need to throw the baby out with the bath water!!!!"
SevenTenEleven
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:47:38 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 7427
Post # of 7432
The bankers, the brokers, and the market makers have been busted by the SEC and FINRA time and time again. Yet they continue to do business after admitting no guilt. Interesting system.
It is good to know that there is nothing on any of the principles for FFGO, NMGL, etc.
Looking forward to justice being served in the form of a dividend that will bankrupt many of the manipulative short sellers preying on OTC investors and companies.
Tic Toc
Bull Finch
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:49:12 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 7423
Post # of 7432
"diligence case"
Posted by: can_wait 8/24/10 post # 155904
A little more food for thought - If you read between the lines like a sandwich.
"This is a due diligence case for the record books no doubt. I re-did a bunch of time lines over the weekend trying to see what their end game is. Between the combination of private and public corporations they control and trading and non-trading public corporations and reporting and non-reporting corporations they control and the vast array of assets they control they have a lot of options within their grasp but some formidable enemies also. The fact that the bashers just won't go away tells me that somebody is very concerned about matching this 34-for-1 dividend. I like the 34-for-1 risk/reward ratio a lot but once again this is not for widows and orphans. Due to how the DTCC is "wired" some of the dividend has to be in cash to be effective. There's about 14 mining properties out there that might show up under any company's banner at any time due to the non-reporting status of several of the players."
Posted by: can_wait 8/20/10 post # 155370
Here's an interesting post script.
I talked to the American Bonanza guys a bit. They own the Copperstone Mine to the North and contiguous with FFGO's S. Copperstone property. Their projected mine life as per their recent 43-101 results was only 6.5 years which I found interesting. Their cost per ounce to mine their underground ore is $415 per oz.
Both Arizona and Nevada seem to be gearing up for an explosion in gold mining activities with the price of gold over $1,200. A lot of the owners of the smaller properties are receiving expressions of interest especially from the representatives of European and Asian companies. I forgot to mention in my last post that a 5th party surrendered his shares of NMGL as part of whatever their plan that is obviously afoot. This was David Wolfin a very well-respected senior member of the mining community. His dad Lou started Cannaccord with Peter Brown. Apparently all of these famous and wealthy families have been doing business together in the mining sector in the U.S. for a while. When the 5 biggest shareholders simultaneously "donate" 99% of their shares into the pot for cancellation they're doing it at somebody's request or demand and they're accepting a smaller slice of a much larger pie. With NMGL about to contain 100% of both the Bouse and S. Copperstone properties one can't rule out that the end purchaser of those properties (assuming that NMGL is just playing an intermdiary role as a fully reporting entity) made this demand as part of an overall plan to acquire these and possibly other properties. Notice how NMGL is referred to as a "fund". Once again, be careful!
Posted by: can_wait 8/10/10 post # 155362
Sorry someone else created the post - I'm just the messenger. I'm not smart enough to come up with that.
Posted by: can_wait 10/10/10 post # 150995
Not true back at you.
"In order to be taxed as a qualified dividend, the investor "must have held the stock for more than 60 days during the 121-day period that begins 60 days before the ex-dividend date," as the IRS explains in Publication 550."
Posted by:can_wait 8/05/10 post # 148721
I called NITE corporate office and tried to talk to anyone. No one could take the call. Something about an internal crisis and everyone was at their terminal posting on an internet chat room.
Bull Finch
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:54:52 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 7428
Post # of 7432
Funny how the Stone Throwers
are the ones we see on the court papers as John Doe!
Bull Finch
Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:20:15 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 7431
Post # of 7432
I'm seeing a pattern here!
You must get paid by the post, and not the content!
5T WD haha
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Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:10:01 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 7428
Post # of 7433
"credible information"
can_wait
Friday, August 20, 2010 3:35:25 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198771
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53563021
I thought this had some credible information on FFGO contained in it:
Hi Karl,
I understand your point 100%. First of all, as I understand it the management of PRTH/Primetime (Robinson, Metz and Materra) got their hand slapped by the SEC prior to these guys buying the Primetime shell and converting it into Hunt Gold (HGLC). The SEC’s reprimand just became final on 9/18/10. I believe the shell was so tainted and the management of Hunt was acting so secretive with their mining assets that the SEC did indeed release this: “It appears to the Securities and Exchange Commission that there is a lack of current and accurate information concerning the securities of Hunt Gold Corporation, f/k/a Prime Time Group, Inc. (“Hunt Gold”) because questions have been raised about the accuracy and adequacy of publicly disseminated information concerning, among other things, Hunt Gold’s gold mining exploration business. The Commission is of the opinion that the public interest and the protection of investors require a suspension of trading in the securities of Hunt Gold.”
Abusive naked short sellers typically attack the companies run by those they perceive to be fraudsters orchestrating a “pump and dump”. Lumb’s choice to buy a shell run by guys later to be found guilty of misbehaving put him into the “probably also a fraudster” category. Ideally, abusive short sellers will time it so that they sell nonexistent shares at the peak of somebody’s “pump” suspecting that a crooked management team is about to unload their shareholdings (which they probably got for free or nearly free) causing the dump. After dumping their nearly free shares a crooked management team will then typically go net naked short, run up a huge naked short position then do a reverse split, collapse the share price and cover for nearly nothing on a post split basis. The shell they control is now ready for another “cycle”. Lather, rinse, repeat.
As an example, everything Les Price has touched over the last 20 year has been totally ambushed by abusive naked short sellers. He was perceived to be a fraudster because he got his hand slapped by the old authorities of the infamous Vancouver Stock Exchange. His crime? He beat the crap out of bunch of naked short sellers that attacked one of his mining companies in Ontario. He allegedly crossed the line in HOW he beat the crap out of them.
If you look at Medinah, Cerro and NPER they are all down about 99% from previous highs. So are a lot of Lumb companies. Victimized shareholders of heavily naked short sold development stage corporations always think that they got screwed by management. People have trouble believing that the entire clearance and settlement system for development stage corporations on the OTC markets in the U.S. is rigged beyond belief but it is. As I read it, Lumb is a billionaire that is totally ticked off at the shorts. I think that FINRA’s treatment of his attempt to sell these assets in 2008, the Moneyworx reverse merger as well as the 2 “hatchet job” journalistic efforts of Hetherington put him over the edge and the gloves came off.
There’s a reason that when you Google Stephen Craig Lumb the first or second resource listed will be that “Tyrant in the tower” article by Tony Hetherington alleging that Lumb is a big bully. The Internet bashers and the support crew for abusive short sellers have tricks to make the most negative article about Lumb pop up first creating a negative first impression. This makes doing due diligence on prospective investments pretty tough when the bad guys control the communication forums. When you get a moment look at the IHUB FFGO forum and then do some research on IHUB.
The next level of due diligence in a situation like this is to determine what Hetherington’s history is as a “journalist” as well as IHUB’s history. Pretty soon all of the pieces fit nicely together. Somebody is spending an awful lot of time and money in attempting to talk people out of buying shares of FFGO. This is one of the few irrefutable facts easy to access in this case. Could it be because for every nonexistent share sold at the .0001 level the naked short sellers might just have to multiply that amount they took in from the purchaser by 34 and then return it to the purchaser? Although their rhetoric says otherwise clearly their actions indicate that this dividend might just come to pass. If the bashers were to close up shop and move on then I might be concerned that the dividend might not materialize. Remember, the bashers claim that there is no naked short position and that they are merely “shareholder advocates” (that just so happen to have a tremendous disdain for shareholders).
When I started working up this case I went through all of the historical filings and PRs. I made a list of “why in the heck did they do that this way” because there were some oddities I came across. Pretty soon most of the components on that list went over to my “wow, that was pretty clever” list. Some of the things you have to ask yourself is why would these alleged “scamsters” make 8-K filings to the SEC right and left when their post-Sarbanes Oxley punishment for lieing goes up many fold. Why is Jody over at the Transfer Agent left “ungagged”? Why did the main shareholders of NMGL (Bauman, Flexwell, Lowenthal and Topcast) voluntarily cancel 99% of their shareholdings recently? Why are these already gazillionaire Harvard and Oxford lawyers risking jail time and their right to practice law by allegedly spouting out blatant lies? Why are the Wolfins, Baumans and Lowenthals with huge family reputations to protect hanging out with alleged fraudsters? Why is a billionaire like Lumb risking jail time for dumping his shares at .0001 and not filing his Form 4’s?
I learned a while back while working with Dr. Patrick Byrne that it’s not a good idea to attack corporations run by extremely brilliant billionaires. I have trouble selling this idea to my colleagues but I really think that forming due diligence “partnerships” of perhaps 20 guys makes sense to be able to dig deeper into the truth. Everybody throws $100 into the pot and you go out and hire geologists or investigative reporters or Wall Street aficionados with the ability to dig deep to aid you in your due diligence. A lot of times the average investor is only one layer of the onion away from learning critical truths that his modest resources couldn’t access.
I know it seems “too good to be true” that a small corporation can distribute a 3,300% dividend but so far my research indicates that they have a pretty good chance of doing just that. I mentioned earlier that 8 years ago I wrote about how in a “cellar boxing” case someday some clever management group is going to be able sell their corporate assets and distribute an ultra-generous dividend as long as they have had previous access to the resources to buy back ultra-cheap shares at .0001. This is where it is nice to be a non-reporting company that can act in a stealth-like manner. A non-reporting company with an ungagged TA is a bit of a rarity.
Recall that if a company is in the “cellar” for very long the abusive short sellers will accumulate an aggregate naked short position so large that their collateralization requirements essentially force them to naked short sell into each buy order that appears. This forces them to employ bashers well past the point in time in which they could have let them go. The risk/reward analysis on this deal to me remains very compelling but time will tell. I think most people are probably in the “too confused” or “too good to be true” camp which explains the relatively low volume on a dollar invested basis. I don’t have a read on the nature of this current delay other than the IR department is telling investors that the NMGL guys need to sign off on the press release. (Disclaimer: Do not treat this as a solicitation to buy the shares of any company cited. This is not a widows and orphans type of deal. Perhaps this is more of an “everybody on the planet should throw $100 in” type of deal.) Below is an excerpt from an 11/29/09 communiqué from FFGO management to its shareholders:
Your Company’s Management (and its Advisors) promise you that we believe that we have learned from our past mistakes, particularly on delivery of our promises, the old adage “He who fails to learn from history, is condemned to relive it”; seems to apply to us right now. We are determined to do our best to deliver superior returns to our very patient, loyal and long standing (and long suffering) stockholders, whilst providing our new Stockholders with the much needed and long overdue information, transparency and the full disclosure of all facts (whilst providing the mandatory “health warnings” associated with any Penny Stock investment.
A FINAL & PERSONAL REQUEST FROM YOUR COMPANY’S MANAGEMENT:
Your Company’s Management respectfully request that stockholders allow “THE PAST TO REMAIN IN THE PAST” in respect of your Company. We ask that you please let your Company’s Management do their utmost to secure the best possible deal for the Company and its stockholders in the sale of the Company’s interests in the two remaining Gold Properties. We are aware that there are many reasons for specific individuals to be negative, and we choose not to engage them. Negativity towards your Company can only hurt the Company’s prospects of any serious and/or successful bid emerging for the Company. We acknowledge that constructive and lively debate amongst our stockholders is productive and healthy in any Market. Furthermore, stockholders may rest assured that negativity towards their Company will not in any manner affect your Company’s Management to secure the best possible deal in its negotiations to dispose of your Company’s interests in the two Gold Properties.
Lastly, we wish to express our sincere and heartfelt appreciation to those many loyal, longstanding and truly wonderfully supportive stockholders who have stayed with this Company despite the most trying of circumstances in 2009. God bless you all and we promise you that we will continue to tirelessly work to obtain for you what you so richly deserve, a great return on your investment in our Company and to let you know, that we truly appreciate your faith in us, your Management.
5T WD haha
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PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:07:22 AM
Re: None
Post # of 198800
I guess this is a good thing that FFGO is "suspended" and not deleted?
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-237.pdf
PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:08:17 AM
Re: PNKBULLSHT post# 198782
Post # of 198800
And then a reinstatement of FFGO
http://dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-219.pdf
PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:13:32 AM
Re: PNKBULLSHT post# 198783
Post # of 198800
Name: Fortress Financial Group, Inc
Sub Status: Current
Standing - Tax: Delinquent
Standing - RA: Good
Standing - Other: Good
2012-001304702 System Amendment 02/09/2012
https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?FilingNum=2003-000459064
PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:18:51 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198785
Post # of 198801
Great West Gold, Inc. - Confirmation of Immediate Name and Trading Symbol Change Company Confirms Its Change of Name and Its New Trading Symbol
NEW YORK, Oct 05, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Great West Gold, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: GWGD) confirms that its name has now been changed to that of Fortress Financial Group, Inc.
The Company has received its new CUSIP Number and Trading Symbol. The Company will trade under the new Trading Symbol "FFGO" and under the name "Fortress Financial Group, Inc." with effect from the market open on Monday October 8, 2007.
About Great West Gold, Inc.
Great West Gold, Inc., was a gold mining exploration stage company, engaged in the acquisition and exploration of mining properties in the United States. The Company retains these Gold Mining Exploration interests as portfolio assets, it intends to extract value from these assets through a future "spin off" or a sale. Great West Gold, Inc. has now changed its name to that of Fortress Financial Group, Inc. following its entry into the financial services sector. The Company will now be primarily engaged in the issuing and marketing of prepaid debit and credit card and related activities.
PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:19:05 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198785
Post # of 198801
How about that??? lol
PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:46:03 AM
Re: None
Post # of 198801
Let me make sure I don't convine anyone here to invest in a stock you cannot buy or sell. Please do not put your hard earned money in a stock that once again you cannot buy or sell.
YOU GUYS DO NOT NEED TO TELL PEOPLE THIS!!!!
At the same time let me warn everyone about smoking. Shhhhhh don't tell anyone but you can get cancer from smoking!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:26:03 AM
Re: None
Post # of 198801
FFGO - Dividend coming! Those writing down their shares ahead of the record date will lose out on the dividend which has been put in process.
Those short MUST close out their short interest ahead of the record date. Otherwise they are on the hook for making the IOU holders "whole" for the shares issued by short sellers.
There is no way for shareholders to get conned into buying more shares. So the con is aimed at shareholders who still hold their shares.
Not hard to figure out what the fantasy frenzy is targeting.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:41:39 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198797
Post # of 198801
sorry, FFGO is revoked, dissolved and abandoned. Insiders have closed down the empty shell, terminated the phone, email, TA, RA, address and have left town with everyones money 21 months ago
no divvy is coming
no one will ever hear from FFGO again - puppydotcom
Still waiting for proof from company that the dividend process has in FACT been canceled. Also, revocation does not cancel the dividend. State of Wyoming Statues protect the process and will allow the distribution to shareholders proceed.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:56:16 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198799
Post # of 198801
Technology is a wonderful thing because it stops cold anyone from making misleading statements about the filings of companies or the ability to trade or if the companies are revoked, dissolved, delinquent and closed down
for example;
if the SEC were to revoked the stock, DTC delete the stock, the state were to dissolve the corporation, the TA was let go, the RA was let go, no phone, no email, no business license, no current address. It would provide totally indisputable proof the company no longer existed
as I said technology is a wonderful thing
good luck! - puppydotcom
All one needs to do is contact the SEC, FINRA, and the State of Wyoming. Dividend process as stated by the company and as filed with the SEC is protected by the Statutes if Wyoming. According to FINRA, the Laws of the State of Incorporation Govern what a company can or cannot do at all times!
Dissolution of FFGO by the state of Wyoming still allows for the distribution of assets to shareholders. Please reference the Statutes of Wyoming to verify!
Technology IS a wonder thing! Nothing like an electronic footprint tracking the magnitude of misinformation and misdirection.
Good Luck!
AlanC
Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:02 AM
Re: Bull Finch post# 7427
Post # of 7438
BullFinch: The simple facts are that the shorts have searched high and low and come up with nothing that can be used against management. You can be sure they have called in every marker they have with the regulators and for 8 years now zilch. The shortman met his match and then some. The 5 trillion authorized trap was baited and the shortman fell for it hook line and sinker. We are on hold waiting for the right moment for the Super 8K and while we wait our ultimate return continues to increase and the shortmans costs continue to escalate. He is screaming now but when will he scream Uncle? We wait! Go NMGL!!!
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:57:55 AM
Re: AlanC post# 7434
Post # of 7438
They will be Scream Uncle, and Paying Uncle!
"He is screaming now but when will he scream Uncle? We wait! Go NMGL!!!"~AlanC
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:25:26 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 7431
Post # of 7438
I notice you are checking for filings Daily!
You have to be patient they will come!
Don't stop checking, after all these years it would be fitting for you to be the first one to find out!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:30:34 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 3119
Post # of 3121
4/26/12 .. NO filings from RENS - puppydotcom
Interesting that on the 25th, one is able to search the SEC database for filings posted on the 26th.
Tic Toc
AlanC
Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:26:22 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 3120
Post # of 3122
Some habits are hard to break! Nice catch! Go RENS!!!
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:47:07 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 7431
Post # of 7438
Good News Today!
Come to find out FFGO was only Suspend not Deleted!
"I guess this is a good thing that FFGO is "suspended" and not deleted?"~PNKBULLSHT
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74865080
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-237.pdf
"And then a reinstatement of FFGO"~PNKBULLSHT
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74865144
http://dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-219.pdf
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:50:13 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 7431
Post # of 7438
Good thing we have Shareholders like PNKBULLSHT
to give us the facts, and truth!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:07:22 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198804
Post # of 198805
yes, why don't you contact the WYO SOS and ask them if they plan on liquidating the FFGO?
lol
here is a shocker for you .. the state has no power over the companies to liquidate anything
liquidating can only be done by the company and/or the courts - puppydotcom
No one is claiming that the State of Wyoming will be liquidating the FFGO assets.
The STATUTES do PROTECT the shareholders and the company's intent to complete the distribution when they so choose.
Strange how this FACT is never acknowledged.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:55:09 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198807
Post # of 198808
who cares about whether or not shares are written down? - alien42
Those who are short pre-revocation care, IMO. The only way for them to close out their risk is for shareholders to write down their shares and have the brokers remove the markers from their brokerage accounts.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:58:24 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198807
Post # of 198810
the con is to convince shareholders that they didn't invest in a scam. - alien42
To convince shareholders, who are awaiting a 3449% ROI that they invested in a scam, is what should be questioned.
No one could buy a revoked stock. So why convince shareholders they invested in a scam (past tense)?
Only thing that could be accomplished is convincing shareholders that they hold worthless shares, and the only logical thing they could do is write them down as a 100% loss.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:01:00 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198807
Post # of 198811
besides the facts that that is completely wrong and the tax deadline has passed - alien42
The tax deadline for the 2011 tax year has passed. Correct!
But not for the 2012, second, third, and forth fiscal quarters, as well as the annual deadline.
Those shares not written down when the dividend is paid will have to be backed by those who are responsible for short selling them to retail investors.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:09:50 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198812
Post # of 198813
wrong, the only thing to be accomplished is to keep the truth and reality public, period.
the lies of the scammers who ran FFGO and who you invested in need to be stopped. thankfully the SEC suspended and revoked FFGO to prevent any further victims. - alien42
Please post a statement provided by the SEC that they revoked FFGO's registration to prevent the company's principles from scamming further shareholders.
Oh wait...
There are no such statements provided by the SEC!
IN FACT, the revocation was due to the company not filing periodic financials, which they made very clear that they had no intention of filing prior to the dividend being distributed! No scamming there! Company has been very very clear on what their intent has been. The risk was all laid out for investors throughout the entire dividend discussion process.
The revocation has no impact on the dividend process. State of Wyoming Statutes govern what FFGO can and can't do moving forward regarding the dividend distribution to shareholders.
Just email FINRA and ask them where the State of Incorporation Statutes come into play.
Looking forward to their reply!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:16:52 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198814
Post # of 198818
There sure are a lot of "MAY'S" in that document provided. It is clear, from the SEC complaint, that FFGO did not file periodic financials with the SEC. We all know that! Company made it clear that they did not intend on filing financials with the SEC and that it would have no impact on the dividend process.
Not a single piece of proof that has been documented and/or confirmed to accuse the FFGO management of financial fraud or scamming investors.
I will wait patiently for that document that must exist in fantasy land.
Quote:
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The SEC may invoke a trading suspension. In some cases, the SEC will suspend trading (or the Nasdaq or NYSE may halt trading) in the stock of an issuer that is a defunct company if, for example, the SEC believes that public information about the issuer is materially false or misleading or the stock price appears to be manipulated. During a trading suspension, no broker-dealer may trade the security. When the trading suspension terminates, a broker-dealer wishing to publish quotations must comply with Rule 15c2-11, which may be impossible to do in the case of a defunct company.
The SEC may revoke the registration of stocks. In some circumstances, the SEC may revoke the registration of a defunct company's stock pursuant to Section 12(j) of the Exchange Act. Under Section 12(j), the SEC is authorized to revoke the registration of a security if it fails to comply with the federal securities laws. No broker-dealer may execute any trades in stocks whose registration has been revoked pursuant to Section 12(j).
A defunct company may not have a transfer agent. In some situations, the defunct company does not have a transfer agent. Although the federal securities laws do not require a company to have a transfer agent, if a company does not have a transfer agent, investors are unable to receive or transfer their stock certificates. Sometimes the SEC has considered a company's lack of a transfer agent as a factor in whether to revoke the registration of stock pursuant to Section 12(j) for the protection of investors.
www.sec.gov/answers/dfnctco.htm
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Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:23:22 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198816
Post # of 198818
sure, if you completely ignore the years of lies publicly documented by FFGO. - alien42
Please provide a statement or a written complaint filed by the SEC that accuses, or convicts any of the principles, or managers associated with FFGO, regarding financial fraud and/or scamming investors.
Oh wait...
No such documents and/or statements exists coming from the SEC! NOTHING!
Nothing but fantasy claims of such.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30:12 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198820
Post # of 198822
no such documents exist from 99% of the scams that the SEC puts an end to. i never stated that FFGO committed fraud, just because they scammed investors doesn't mean they broke the law. all one has to do is read the carefully worded dividend 8K which is loaded with weasel clauses. - alien42
Please provide documented proof that these so called weasel have been IN FACT exercised by either party.
Oh wait...
No such documentation has ever been provided to support such claims.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:43:07 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198823
Post # of 198824
it has already been documented repeatedly that the dividend was never even declared due to the clauses. - alien42
Nothing has been proven! There is no such proof documented and/or provided by the company ceasing the dividend process by either party.
Claims of the dividend process being canceled are nothing more than unsubstantiated claims.
Good Luck!
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
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Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:55:56 PM
Re: medchal post# 198825
Post # of 198842
"There is no such proof documented and/or provided by the company ceasing the dividend process by either party." There is only irrefutable proof that the dividend "process" was never started, which is contained within the wording of the document published by the company. Talking about a potential dividend does not start any "process". - medchal
Will stick with the Form 8-K filings submitted to the SEC by the company for documented proof of the existence of the preferred shares and where they are currently being held, awaiting completion of clauses by both parties.
Claims that the dividend process was never started are not supported by the SEC filings or the statements made by the company to date.
Good Luck!
varmit
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:26:43 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198766
Post # of 198842
THANK U !!!! that is an awesome post and quite accurate ....
what u dont address is that nmgl does not communicate for several reasons ...... they love 2 keep certain people in the dark and guessing all the time ... brilliant ....
they stated what they would do and will acheive it !!!!!! you just may be slapped in the face with the divvy super 8 k yes as u stated SOON
YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW FAR THEY HAVE GONE OR IF 7 OF THE 8 ISSUES HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED .
but i do !!!!!! when u least expect it .... and remember i have said many many many times.......the mines were sold at 900 an ounce .......
sale goes back to western and fyi thats where the shares are held so quit quoting ffgo ,,,,, like puppy says daily 300 times ffgo is gone ... yes mute point ...we all agree .... so what western is still alive .....has shares and a T.A. reselling the mines at 1650 and ounce means divvy of .007 or more .
times that .007 at over a billion shares and we may be partying with stevie l soon !!!!!!!! sweet aye rm ??????????????
buyer beware theres over 10 million ounces at bouse and sc ........... gold that is ........007 .007 .007 .007 .007 .
and of course let me repeat 5 t wd the wd is the key
fyi pup ffgo is gone ......ha ha ha and i checked egdar and he said .........
varmit
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:34:47 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 194919
Post # of 198842
yes sir !!!! and western diversified holdings has not been dissoved !!!!!!!!!!! thats where our shares are held !!!!!!
transfer agent live and well with our shares in safe keeping ......
the other 200 billion plus air shares are kept very safe in the oxygen tank until paydate is announced and nss air must cover by law ....... mine are 4 sale of course at a buck each if u dare 2 cover early .......
again 5trillion authorized shares at western diversified holdings ring a bell //////????? loud and clear ????????????
any takers ??????? over the last 5 years ????????
varmit says !!!!! dats a faq !!!!
oh dear and where have all the spell checkers gone .... with bernie ???????? maid off with our money ......
it pays to be short !!!!!! us that is ha ha ha ha ha
matter of time .... clock just stopped tic n
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:47:20 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198832
Post # of 198842
the cold hard legal facts, indisputably say otherwise - puppydotcom
Exactly! And the State of Wyoming Statutes protect the dividend distribution process once it commences.
And FINRA states that the state of incorporation ALWAYS governs what a company can and cannot do!
17-16-1405. Effect of dissolution.
(a) A dissolved corporation continues its corporate existence but may not carry on any business except that appropriate to wind up and liquidate its business and affairs, including:
(i) Collecting its assets;
(ii) Disposing of its properties that will not be distributed in kind to its shareholders;
(iii) Discharging or making provision for discharging its liabilities;
(iv) Distributing its remaining property among its shareholders according to their interests; and
(v) Doing every other act necessary to wind up and liquidate its business and affairs.
(b) Dissolution of a corporation does not:
(i) Transfer title to the corporation's property;
(ii) Prevent transfer of its shares or securities, although the authorization to dissolve may provide for closing the corporation's share transfer records;
(iii) Subject its directors or officers to standards of conduct different from those prescribed in article 8;
(iv) Change quorum or voting requirements for its board of directors or shareholders; change provisions for selection, resignation, or removal of its directors or officers or both; or change provisions for amending its bylaws;
(v) Prevent commencement of a proceeding by or against the corporation in its corporate name;
(vi) Abate or suspend a proceeding pending by or against the corporation on the effective date of dissolution; or
(vii) Terminate the authority of the registered agent of the corporation.
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/statutes.aspx?file=titles/Title17/T17CH16.htm
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:55:06 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198834
Post # of 198842
recognizing the fact that the dividend was never even declared is a step in the right direction, far better than the "locked and loaded" fantasy.
how anyone can continue to believe in a dividend that was announced years ago yet has not even begun to commence is beyond logic, especially considering the meteoric rise in the price of gold since.
of course a scam like FFGO really has no connection to the price of gold. - alien42
The dividend process has been initiated. The record date and the payment date is yet to commence.
Soon to Conclude!
Wouldn't want to be short!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:00:22 PM
Re: varmit post# 198831
Post # of 198842
To top it all off, State of Wyoming Statutes protects the dividend process and ensures the distribution of assets to shareholders in the event of a dissolution. If you ask FINRA, they will tell you that the State of Incorporation governs what a company can and cannot do AT ALL TIMES!
Will the brokers and the market makers who are responsible for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of IOU markets AKA naked short sales going to be forced to pay what retail requests to close out their abusive naked short positions?
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:04:43 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198838
Post # of 198842
that is 100% false and the kind of nonsense that needs to stop
the fact is that FINRA would have to approve the dividend, which of course they wouldn't do for a non-reporting revoked scam like FFGO.
if FINRA does not approve the dividend, the state of Wyoming doesn't even come into play. - alien42
Might want to contact FINRA before accusing someone of being a liar!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:56:02 PM
Re: JammingJAY post# 198841
Post # of 198842
Well you might want to contact pete to tell him, you see, in his FAQ on that funky website he appears to think he will need FINRA approval for the dividend.
You should write or call or email him with your new facts before the crew disappears on shareholders because they don't know FINRA has no business approving the dividend. - JammingJAY
And according to FINRA, what the company will be allowed to do or not do will be governed by the Laws of the State of Incorporation.
Good Luck!
AlanC
Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:47:53 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1203
Post # of 1209
All stocks get shorted and I have no problem with shorting. The problem I have is when no stock is borrowed but lots of shares are sold all with the hope and expectation that continued shorting will result in the company going bankrupt. Of course those doing that have experts on staff helping them with their choices but even those experts make mistakes and choose poorly from time to time. Of course every once in a while those who short have the tables turned on them and they will end up losing big because they did not do proper DD. Go GNCP!!!
AlanC
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:30:46 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1205
Post # of 1209
The SHO list is just that a SHOW list. It is a joke and anyone who has done any research knows it. The fails are mostly hidden in ex-clearing and I am sure you already knew that. Go GNCP!!!
AlanC
Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:23:45 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1207
Post # of 1209
Shorting them all I take it! Going to be costly. Go GNCP!!!
AKFish
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:43:58 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 323
Post # of 325
BF: Divi @ .006
AlanC
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:13:25 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 323
Post # of 325
Thanks Bull Finch and thanks to pink. I think more surprises will be coming soon. Go SJCH!!!
jindal
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:59:55 PM
Re: None
Post # of 31142
Get ready for a huge pay-day. Go HgLc!!
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:32:23 PM
Re: jindal post# 31139
Post # of 31142
Ready, and Waiting!
I'll call some of the Friends!
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:32:42 PM
Re: ordinarydude post# 30223
Post # of 31142
Were Ready over here, are you!
Bull Finch
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:58:55 PM
Re: ordinarydude post# 30223
Post # of 31142
Some Volume today!
Some the other day also, but it didn't show everywhere, weird!
You better get in here and start buying, you don’t want to miss out like last time, now’s your chance!
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
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Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:52:36 PM
Re: PNKBULLSHT post# 198782
Post # of 198891
FFGO - How did those doing such detailed DD have missed the FACT that FFGO has been suspended, and not deleted?
If possession is 9/10th of the law, Omission must be 9/10th of the fantasy!
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-237.pdf
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:00:25 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198844
Post # of 198891
willingly and knowingly - FFGO Management (Paraphrased by Puppydotcom
Could Varmit be right?
$0.007 per share Plus a Legal opportunity to get $1 per share due to naked shorts being required to cover by law?
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:21:22 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198848
Post # of 198891
sorry, no divvy is coming - puppydotcom
Still waiting on a link or a document to support that claim. Seems like other claims there are links or documents quickly displayed.
Will be waiting on that link or document.
Until then, nothing more than keeping the canceled dividend fantasy alive!
Good Luck!
PNKBULLSHT
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:14:17 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198843
Post # of 198891
Selective Research
SevenTenEleven
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:53:17 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198852
Post # of 198892
if you choose not to believe FFGO was revoked and the state of WYO dissolved the corporation
the FFGO management terminated all lines of communication with the public and ran away 21 months ago
its ok with me
however, its fact! - puppydotcom
If anyone chooses to ignore the FACT that the Statutes of Wyoming protect the dividend process, regardless of the dissolution status of FFGO, and that the revocation has no effect on the dividend being distributed when the terms are met...
its OK with me!
Tic Toc
Rocket Man
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:35:54 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198892
I believe based on facts as I see them FFGO has a massive short position that is locked up.. It may last a long time, it may not.. Depends.. I still believe it is not over until it is over. Way to many wheels still spinning..
AlanC
Friday, April 27, 2012 6:01:28 AM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198854
Post # of 198893
RocketMan: FFGO has the potential to cause the system to implode. FFGO's plan they designed to battle the shortman was brilliant in that there is no escape hatch. The regulators are trapped as well and cannot bail out the shortman with FFGO. We don't have our money yet but the bill continues to tick for the shortman.
The plan can have final implementation executed at any time. Should anyone become frustrated because they have not yet received payment yet all they need do is realize how frustrating this is on the shortman who made a terrible mistake choosing FFGO and yet cannot do a single thing to correct that mistake. The shortman knows that a huge bill will be coming due and that bill is growing each and every day. He hasn't even been able to generate a plug nickel by shorting more since trading was stopped. It is all outgo and no income for the shortman here. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
mwab52
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:10:28 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198877
Post # of 198895
I think the truth is being shown daily in (FFGO-Land). Seem like someone has a daily problem with a no trading so called worthless stock. I'am waiting on the divvy. Btw! If there is a short problem,Shorty must pay. Right? Hold onto those shorts. (FFGO)
Quote:
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it's never too late for the truth however.
apparently, some can't handle the truth
No divvy is ever coming!
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AKFish
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:14:20 AM
Re: mwab52 post# 198878
Post # of 198896
Kinda makes you wonder how much someone has to loose should the payout come!!!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:14:57 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198879
Post # of 198896
FFGO - Dividend Coming! Hold onto those IOU's shareholders!
DD provided by the company in the form of FAQ's and Filings with SEC are what should be referenced!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:17:44 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198882
Post # of 198897
when the SEC revokes a scam like FFGO, it's over. - alien42
Hardly a FACT!
Dividends can still be distributed to shareholders for revoked securities.
This is a FACT!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:19:43 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198885
Post # of 198897
the dividend can't be distributed because it was never even declared.
odd why you never mention that fact 71011. - alien42
Shareholders may want to reference the FAQ's and the Form 8-K filings provided to the SEC to understand where the dividend process lies.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:22:53 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198887
Post # of 198897
of course and the 8K makes it quite clear that the dividend can not even be declared. - alien42
Really? Hardly a FACT!
BTW, please provide proof that any of the exit clauses have been exercised by either party!
Will be waiting...
Good Luck!
mwab52
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:24:35 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198879
Post # of 198897
Sorry! It makes alot of sense to me. Hold onto those shorts.(FFGO)
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:34:01 AM
Re: alien42 post# 198893
Post # of 198897
Sorry, Nothing in the sticky that confirms the exit classes have been exercised by either party!
Good Luck!
AlanC
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:45:44 AM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 7439
Post # of 7441
No, the last call I made regarding FFGO was to expose a poster who had made some false claims a few years ago. I am comfortable waiting to be paid my dividends. I think the regulators are fully aware of all that has happened here and given the planned distribution their blessing otherwise they would have laid charges and as we both know in over 7 years not a single charge by any U.S. regulator has been made. Go NMGL!!!
Take a look at the education and resumes of all the players involved, they have impressive credentials.
AlanC
In reply to: puppydotcom who wrote msg# 1210 Date:4/26/2012 7:09:15 PM
Post #1211 of 1214
I'll bet you feel good coming out! Go GNCP!!!
SevenTenEleven
In reply to: puppydotcom who wrote msg# 1212 Date:4/26/2012 7:22:14 PM
Post #1213 of 1214
boy, I wish I could have shorted FFGO, NMGL and RENS .. too bad the share holders have lost everything because of the bad management of the two companies
Oh Wait! - puppydotcom
You Did!
Tic Toc
Rocket Man
Friday, April 27, 2012 11:16:53 AM
Re: AlanC post# 198869
Post # of 198899
Kinda like having a boot on ones car to keep it from moving, yet the meter still keeps on ticking.. FFGOs meter for shorty tic toc.
AlanC
Friday, April 27, 2012 12:23:31 PM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 7442
Post # of 7444
The poster was lying in his posts. I proved that for all to see and then put that poster on ignore. That call was made about 3 years ago. As Mr. Bezzano stated most shareholders will be pleased when paid no matter how long it takes. I am one of those shareholders he described. Go NMGL!!!
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 12:36:10 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1210
Post # of 1215
If you short GNCP (not GNCC as some mistakenly call it).....
YOU ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
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Vianna
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:10:32 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198879
Post # of 198915
OOOH...that explains it. I understand now. Based upon your statement, you are saying that FFGO is the core of all the problems out there and that is your continued concern with FFGO. Got it! It is SO clear now but you seem to have missed something...
FFGO is revoked...no one can buy it; therefore, no further damage can be done to anyone except to LONGS that are waiting for the final outcome.
OH WAIT...I forgot ...SHORTY has a problem with FFGO.
SHORTY will attempt to shell out anything to STOP the "Fantasy Dividend" that can never happen and there should be no concern about.
FACT REMAINS...IF FFGO were truly over, it would be obvious.
Clearly...IT'S NOT OVER!
Tic Toc
V
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:20:01 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198901
Post # of 198915
FFGO is going to follow through with the dividend. Once shareholders are rewarded, all will celebrate that shareholders were made better than WHOLE!
Good Luck!
Vianna
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:27:21 PM
Re: varmit post# 198831
Post # of 198916
Nice to see you, varmit!
Great point!
V
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Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:34:47 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 194919
Post # of 198903
yes sir !!!! and western diversified holdings has not been dissoved !!!!!!!!!!! thats where our shares are held !!!!!!
transfer agent live and well with our shares in safe keeping ......
the other 200 billion plus air shares are kept very safe in the oxygen tank until paydate is announced and nss air must cover by law ....... mine are 4 sale of course at a buck each if u dare 2 cover early .......
again 5trillion authorized shares at western diversified holdings ring a bell //////????? loud and clear ????????????
any takers ??????? over the last 5 years ????????
varmit says !!!!! dats a faq !!!!
oh dear and where have all the spell checkers gone .... with bernie ???????? maid off with our money ......
it pays to be short !!!!!! us that is ha ha ha ha ha
matter of time .... clock just stopped tic n
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198903
Post # of 198916
I would imagine the cost to those short will be crippling when the dividend is paid out.
Good Luck!
varmit
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:38:54 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198906
Post # of 198916
the crippleing begins ,,, soon ha ha i estimate in the billions $$$$
that is really a huge mistake for shorties 2 be so greedy and allow smashing stocks to rock bottom
the mistake here is .... gold mines !!!! they never grasped gold at 700 an ounce would ever hit 1900 highs .....
they never read the dodge report /or dr collistons 10 million ounce reports and assays ....
big mistake ,,,,, buck a share club locked and loaded ....
varmit says !!!!! ps vianna ,,,nice to be back with priveleges reinstated !!!!!! all warm and varmy take care
paunch13
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:41:17 PM
Re: varmit post# 198908
Post # of 198916
Varmit
I hope you are right and if shorty has to pay that would be even better but either way we win and that is good for all longs
John
revelations
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:43:07 PM
Re: varmit post# 198908
Post # of 198916
Any insight as to how much longer?
"Varmy cares" should be trademarked.
Go FFGO.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:47:09 PM
Re: varmit post# 198908
Post # of 198916
$1 per share seems fair to me. $1 per share would represent a legal transaction that would enable those who are illegally short to close out their open illegal short interest and not have to face criminal charges.
Looking forward to the dividend record date, which shareholders know is forthcoming as the company has stated in the FAQ's and in the SEC Form 8-K filings. Creating writing does not change the fact that the dividend is forthcoming and that there is no written proof to support claims of exit clauses being canceled or exercised by any of the parties involved. Although, some may wish for shareholders to believe this nonsense.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:52:55 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198912
Post # of 198916
apparently some wish for shareholders to believe the scammers lies and that they hold anything but a revoked and worthless former scam that will never trade again nor issue any dividends.
sometimes the truth hurts. - alien42
Shorts are hoping for whatever write off they can get between now and the dividend date.
I wonder how successful they have in being able to close out their risk?
Dividend Process still in place!
Still waiting for that SEC document or communication from the company stating otherwise!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 3:07:46 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198915
Post # of 198916
FFGO - Not wise to take 100% losses ahead of 3449% gains!
Still waiting on that documented proof that the dividend process has been canceled.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 3:21:14 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198917
Post # of 198918
FFGO - The window for shorts to close out open interest though write-offs is closing sooner than later.
Tic Toc
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:06:28 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198915
Post # of 198934
First of all...you should not write-off shares when you have a large dividend on the way. And the potential for some sort of payoff through nailing the NSS.
But, let's forget about those humongous points for a moment and ask yourself a question:
How does writing off shares benefit me?
(Let's see if anyone can answer that question).
ps....What a great day on the board! My favorite two posters are here!! The "V's"....Vianna and Varmit!!!! Thank you for your posts!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:11:59 PM
Re: revelations post# 198922
Post # of 198935
Make sure anyone giving advice to you is not personally benefiting from what you decide to do. 100% loss ahead of 3449% PLUS gain is not what I would do!
PS I gain NOTHING from what any shareholder does! I am long and holding for dividend!
Good Luck!
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:13:12 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198927
Post # of 198936
I'll help you with the answer:
It does you no good to write-off shares in April! Or May! Or June! Or July! Or August! Or September!.....are you following me here?
If you are going to write them off...wait until the end of the year. Until that time, you can see what happens.
Like SevenTenEleven has warned, there are many who would like nothing more than to see you have your shares written off.
And, as AlanC has warned, keep an eye on your brokerage account to make sure your shares are still listed!
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:18:45 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198932
Post # of 198938
alien42, you need to read SevenTenEleven's post again.
He is saying the same thing I am.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:27:15 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198934
Post # of 198939
however, its ok with me if you decide to listen and follow advice from unknown aliases posting on revoked, dissolved and abandoned sub penny stock chat boards - puppydotcom
I am a shareholder, nit just an unknown alias. Have plenty of vested interest in FFGO.
No need to speak with a financial planner. 100% loss or a 3449% dividend?
Let me think? Should I spend the money to have someone state the obvious to me?
HOLD and wait on the 3449% ROI!
Good Luck!
PS Still waiting for that filing stating the dividend process was canceled.
Oh Wait....
Just a Fantasy!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:30:05 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198937
Post # of 198941
hold on to those revoked shares - alien42
Better than writing them off for a 100% loss so those short could gain!
Good Luck!
wrj
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:01:06 PM
Re: None
Post # of 31145
Knight Trading (nasdaq: NITE - news - people ) announced that it reached an agreement in principle with NASD and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for $79 million. The agreements concerns trading and conduct at Knight Securities between 1999 and 2001. Though the administrative order has not yet been finalized, Knight expects that the company "would neither admit nor deny the findings" in the agreement. The agreement in principle requires Knight to disgorge $41 million in institutional trading profits and pay $13 million in interest and $25 million in penalties.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:42:51 PM
Re: alien42 post# 198932
Post # of 198943
The tax deadline for the 2011 tax year has passed. Correct!
But not for the 2012, second, third, and forth fiscal quarters, as well as the annual deadline.
Those shares not written down when the dividend is paid will have to be backed by those who are responsible for short selling them to retail investors. - SevenTenEleven
Let's break down this post. It appears to be misinterpreted a bit.
There are claims that the tax write off deadline has passed.
Not true!
The IRS allows investors to take write-offs at any time. Not just in the year a stock's registration is revoked by the SEC as was claimed by some a few months back. If you wanted to take a tax write-off for 2011, you missed your opportunity.
There are folk who pay estimated taxes. They pay them quarterly. Some of these folks will plan to take write-offs or take losses on positions they have to reduce their tax burden for a particular quarter.
So write-offs can be taken at anytime moving forward, but as a shareholder, I see no upside to writing down an investment that is about to pay 3449% PLUS ROI!
What all shareholder should be asking themselves is why would anyone suggest that they take a write-off? What is in it for them or for someone else?
Another thing all shareholders should ask themselves is where is the proof that the dividend process has been canceled? It doesn't exist. It is just a bunch of fantasy claims. The company made it very clear that there would be some claiming that the dividend process never was and never would be.
The other thing all shareholders should be asking themselves is what is in it for your broker if you were to write down 100% of your investment as a loss? The answer is: They get to close out the naked short interest they are "place marking" for the market maker(s) who wrote the IOU's.
There is a 3449% dividend PLUS on the horizon!
Why would anyone, knowing what they bought into, allow fantasy claims to talk them out of good fortune?
Tic Toc
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:45:30 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198934
Post # of 198944
OK, let me set the scene....You walk into your CPA or Attorney's office and after you tell him or her that you have been buying a Penny Stock.....he or she will look at you and say:
"Does it actively trade?"
Your answer will be: "No."
The will respond: "You shouldn't be buying Penny Stocks...Write it off....take the loss......it's worthless".
They will give you this advice without knowing one single item of information about NMGL/FFGO.
You really want advice from somebody that knows nothing about these stocks?
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:47:29 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198943
Post # of 198945
SevenTenEleven, great post! I doubt our friend will comprehend it...but excellent post!
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
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SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 5:07:26 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 9465
Post # of 9559
FYI : http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74948616
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 5:05:55 PM
Re: fourkids_9pets post# 24257
Post # of 25657
DHSM - Company Links being tampered with in iBox
Please click on the following links to visit Company's Websites!
http://www.dhsholding.com/
http://datahealthsystems.com/
http://salesking.com/
Links in iBox are the same as the above, but will take you to error pages.
They were working earlier today when I updated iBox!
Makes you wanna go hmmmmmm?????
Rich
Friday, April 27, 2012 5:34:23 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 9555
Post # of 9559
Nobody is tampering with the links.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 5:37:49 PM
Re: Rich post# 9556
Post # of 9559
LOL! Yes they are!
I fixed them this morning and they were converted back to back links this afternoon. Someone with tech privileges is tampering with them? But why?
Are the shorts still short 10 times the float?
Tic Toc
Rich
Friday, April 27, 2012 5:40:05 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 9557
Post # of 9559
Ask Admin. If someone plays with the ibox they know who did it and what time. Ask them.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:16:19 PM
Re: AlanC post# 9552
Post # of 9559
Talking points on the short report distort continues to evolve. It is interesting how much effort is put into protecting the loopholes that are used by the abusive short sellers.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:14:27 PM
Re: sx1100 post# 25588
Post # of 25658
DHSM - DHS Holding Company Announces Meetings With Ministers of Government in Belize
Dhs Holding Co. (PL) (USOTC:DHSM)
Today : Friday 27 April 2012
DHS Holding Company (PINKSHEETS: DHSM) is tentatively scheduled to have meetings with Ministers of Government in Belize, as well as the Prime Minister, sometime between May 16 - May 18. The meetings will be attended by Michael Rohling, CEO of DHS Holding Company, and Charles Barrett, President/Director. Also attending the meetings will be the project's Belize architectural firm, iE International, and Daniel Arguelles, a partner in the firm.
At the meetings, DHS Holding Company will present Site Plans for the complete Cenote Falls project that will include the Casino, Hotel and Shopping Center. The plans will also include the project's proximity to the Cenote (lake) that adjoins the site and is the inspiration for the project's name.
In addition to the Site Drawings, there will be a number of Artists' Renditions showing various views of the entire project. Currently, DHS Holding Company has no plans to release any renditions to the public. Rather, we look forward to the Government of Belize having the opportunity to introduce the project more fully to their People.
DHS Holding Company looks forward to discussing with the Government and its Officials, the proper zoning that would be allocated for Cenote Falls Hotel Casino and Shopping Center. This will be a world-class project and one of the largest, most complex for the country of Belize.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:27:53 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25611
Post # of 25658
Had to be "fixed" twice today.
My fix didn't "take!
Interesting that Rich was aware that the links weren't working for weeks, yet alerted no one.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:31:29 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25613
Post # of 25658
Not really. Most people don't bother reading IBoxes. First thing I do when I go to a board is disable it. - janice shell
Well potential investors may like to click on the links.
Nothing like someone with tech access preventing the links from working. TWICE!
Strange....
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:36:50 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25615
Post # of 25658
Maybe...
Not seeing "technical problems" on other company links in iBox's for other stocks.
This "technical problem" appears to have been going on for DHSM for weeks. And then after fixed, today. Going on again until it was made public!
Strange....
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:37:26 PM
Re: Rich post# 25068
Post # of 25658
Strange how old posts can be edited?
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:00:26 PM
Re: Rich post# 25616
Post # of 25658
Strange that a mod would refuse to fix a problem with company links that had errors?
Errors that would detour investors possibly.
Good Luck!
janice shell
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:01:14 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 25624
Post # of 25658
Nah. I would have refused. I don't mess with IBoxes.
Rich
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:09:17 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 25624
Post # of 25658
Last time I played with an iBox, I caught hell from other Mods, I won't do it again. I told you I wasn't going to touch it.
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:45:51 PM
Re: None
Post # of 25658
DHSM - Short Volume for April 27th - 33%
20120427|DHSM|35184|0|105877|O
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 9:11:54 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25631
Post # of 25659
Strange most of that was not the Ask, in fact it was everything from Bid to Ask and between, what was that strange theory again about shorting into buying volume again? - BigBake1
Do the math! Most of the shorting was buying into the ask. Majority of volume today was at the bid.
Short selling into buying volume” based upon what actual data? Short volume does not tell you what was sold short, it only tells you the volume of shares MARKED as short - BigBake1
So you are now able to tell what was marked short? LMFAO!
Strange...
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 9:56:50 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25633
Post # of 25659
Which is it, one CAN or one CAN'T tell what was sold short?
Incorrect as 20,700 were in fact neither Bid nor Ask, being the majority on it's own,and yes actually it is quite easy to conclude what was MARKED short reading the tape. Not hard to do at all. - BigBake1
Short selling into buying volume” based upon what actual data? Short volume does not tell you what was sold short, it only tells you the volume of shares MARKED as short - BigBake1
Unless the volume is 100% short or 0% short, when there are a number of trades, it is some what difficult to determine which lots were sold short.
Any claims of what is short would be a guess at best.
When NITE and VERT have been the only one on the ask and 100% of the volume was hitting the offers they were sitting on, it was easy to figure out what lots were being shorted, and by whom.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:04:13 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25633
Post # of 25659
Incorrect as 20,700 were in fact neither Bid nor Ask - BigBake1
Interesting. My level 2's show the 20,700 as a sell. I watch it hit the bid. So my eyes would have to agree with my level 2's.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:09:39 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25636
Post # of 25659
So what 35184 shares were short sold?
I have made a few assumptions based upon easy math. But without seeing the tape, it is a "best guess".
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:35:11 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25638
Post # of 25659
Sorry, but the 20,700 block was marked as a sell on your level 2's as well.
I was watching level 2's as the trades were going off. There was a bid at $0.39 at the time of that trade.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:46:38 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25639
Post # of 25659
Marked short because they were sold short. All the fancy claims does not change the fact that the short volume is in FACT short sales.
Twisting the english language to suit one's needs is the work of journalists and politicians.
Here is what FINRA has to say about what is "MARKED" short on the daily report.
Aggregate reported share volume of executed short sale and short sale exempt trades during regular trading hours
There is a separate column for short exempts, which is what your claims would generally fall under. But there are ZERO short exempts being reported on the daily list for DHSM or any other OTC stock.
Let's face it, those short are in a bad way here and it is getting worse with each share retirement announcement.
Wonder if the unreported short interest is still 10 times the float?
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:53:56 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25642
Post # of 25659
The bid WAS in FACT $0.39 when the dump into the bid occurred. Sorry to inform you. There was support at $0.39 and $0.38. As soon as the dump hit, the bid at $0.39 was cleared out. I was watching level 2's and know that what you see happen, and what is reported by the market maker filling the trade is not always in sync.
BTW, as plain as day, the 20,700 is reported in the "SELL" column of the screen shot you provided.
Thanks for the DD!
It is reassuring to know that there is a large unreported short interest position being shielded from the public and from investors.
Thanks again for confirming!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 9:56:50 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25633
Post # of 25659
Which is it, one CAN or one CAN'T tell what was sold short?
Incorrect as 20,700 were in fact neither Bid nor Ask, being the majority on it's own,and yes actually it is quite easy to conclude what was MARKED short reading the tape. Not hard to do at all. - BigBake1
Short selling into buying volume” based upon what actual data? Short volume does not tell you what was sold short, it only tells you the volume of shares MARKED as short - BigBake1
Unless the volume is 100% short or 0% short, when there are a number of trades, it is some what difficult to determine which lots were sold short.
Any claims of what is short would be a guess at best.
When NITE and VERT have been the only one on the ask and 100% of the volume was hitting the offers they were sitting on, it was easy to figure out what lots were being shorted, and by whom.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:57:39 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25644
Post # of 25659
You have no way of knowing if they were SOLD short, all the Daily Reg SHO reports is what is MARKED short as to the very reason you have no idea as to why they were marked short. SEC Rule 200 and 203 provide a “Risk Exposure” measure to allow certain trades to be MARKED as short when there in fact physical certs backing the trade: - BigBake1
Sorry, it is reported and market as a SHORT SALE, because it IS A SHORT SALE!
In FACT, the same "risk exposure" and hidden legs of the trade could be short sales that AREN'T reported on the daily report OR the monthly report!
FINRA makes that FACT very clear also!
The DD provided is reassuring that their is a rather large unreported short interest being shielded.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:02:16 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25646
Post # of 25659
I know what I was watching on level 2's and it has been documented. Thanks again for providing the proof that what actually happened and what was reported is two different things.
The DD provided continues to support the FACT that market makers are gaming the reporting system to satisfy their needs.
The DD provided is also reassuring to shareholders and investors that there is like a large unreported short interest position that is being shielded.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:07:18 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25649
Post # of 25659
This is pretty simple, provide the actual evidence that the NBBO was showing a Bid of .39, until then my statement will stand as FACT, that is how it works provide the evidence that shows that my statement is wrong. You have none and therfore my statement stands. - BigBake1
What is reported, is not always FACT. In FACT, what is reported, may not be accurate at all based upon what I was watching while the trades were going off.
UBS and Credit Suisse were guilty of that.
Thanks again for providing proof that market makers do not always report the correct information.
Good Luck!
Rocket Man
Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:59:18 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25648
Post # of 25659
Lol, might want t re think that about FINRA, FINRA published a paper on some serious topics. Such as under reporting short sales and that in cases the data reported by Reg Sho Bi monthly reports are under inclusive. Thus suggesting the numbers can't be relied on. Let me know if you can't find it. I am sure I can drum a link up!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:01:54 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25651
Post # of 25659
Thanks again for the DD and the proof that what was actually showing on Level 2's when the trades were going off is not what was reported.
How many times the float are the shorts short?
Retirement of shares must be very problematic for them that they would expend so much effort to shield the unreported interest in the OTC.
Good Luck!
Rocket Man
Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:47:59 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25655
Post # of 25659
When I get back to my office, I'll post it, since you can't find it.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:50:02 AM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25655
Post # of 25659
What the trade documentation proves is that while watching in realtime, what was reported to the regulatory bodies and the general public does not match. I do recall NITE being on the bid. No surprises regarding NITE.
Good Luck
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:06:34 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 25652
Post # of 25659
Strange that live level 2's were showing a bid at $0.39 for a size of 20,700. A dump hits he bid, and that offer disappears as it was filled. Strange that the bid reported was $0.38 at the time when there was a bid of $0.39 streaming live.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:32:36 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25659
Post # of 25667
Would love to see the public report on internalized trades. Oh yeah, that is something only market makers involved in making those trades would know.
Also, bid was $0.39 when the 20,700 hit the bid. Was accurately recorded as a sell. Whether or not the bid was $0.38 at the time is what is in question. According to my live feed, it was $0.39. Sorry! It has been documented.
Regarding claims of insiders selling shares, which has been claimed a number of times. The facts are the Company has been retiring shares at an alarming rate, while the float remains the same. So there is nothing to support claims of dilution. In fact, quite the opposite.
Claims have also been made accusing a third party of front loading and hen selling into a 24 hour promotion. Still waiting for the report that shows one party loaded and unloaded as claimed.
Thanks again for the DD proving that the market makers have loopholes and resources to effectively game the system and take advantage of shareholders.
How short are he shorts? Still 10 times the float? Maybe more?
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:06:33 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25661
Post # of 25668
Unless you have documented numbers, one can ONLY speculate that someone was selling into the buying. Again only a broker and/or market maker handling trades could comment with certainty.
How short are he shorts? 10 times the float? Maybe more?
Imagine if a third party was buying into the 24 hour promotion and not selling? Did the market makers go shorter to meet demand?
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:11:39 PM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 25663
Post # of 25669
Creating value for shareholders.
Shorts are officially trapped.
Are they short 10 times the float still? Maybe more?
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:20:43 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25662
Post # of 25669
It is Saturday. I also doubt it will be updated on Sunday! Once he TA officially retires the shares the company will update OTCmarkets.com. Wouldn't want to put the cart before the horse so the shorts have a legal gripe. Shareholders are well aware of the tactics the shorts leverage with FINRA, the DTC, the SEC, and the OTC.
Glad to have white collar crime experts looking after the best interests of the shareholders and the company's ability to preserve its ability to raise capital.
How short are the shorts? Are the still short 10 times the float? More?
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:34:26 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25668
Post # of 25669
$6 per share or more coming on that ordered buyin.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:57:13 PM
Re: BigBake1 post# 25670
Post # of 25672
Documented proof of a third party selling into a promotion?
Oh wait....
Just fantasy speciation!
Squeeze coming for those unreported shorts! If they don't exist, then. I need to be concerned. Right?
Oh wait...
They do exist due to ex-clearing and other loopholes the market makers have exploited over the years.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:01:32 PM
Re: stocksonfire post# 25671
Post # of 25674
Shorts are trapped with the recent 75MM share retirement(s).
Are they still short 10 times the float?
bigred1
Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:06:36 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 25672
Post # of 25674
DHSM historic short list for DHSM----- http://otcshortreport.com/DHSM.PK
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:18:21 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 25678
Post # of 25686
The only folks with access to internalized trades are market makers and brokers.
It has been brought to the attention of shareholders and investors that there are legs of the trade that allow for short volume to be reset and to avoid being included on the bimonthly short reports.
Of course those educating shareholders and investors have given only one possible side of the non-tepe legs of the trade. Where short volume is covered by a non-tape transaction with actual shares.
There is an equal possibility that the non-tape legs allow a short selling market maker to cover his reported daily shorts through a reset. Just the same as real shares being exchanged through a non-tape transaction, the shares being issued to "reset" such tape reported shorts may be short transactions themselves.
If they are indeed non-tape short sale transactions, they are not reported on the daily short volume list, nor are they required to be reported on the bimonthly short interest reports.
FINRA has been very clear about this in their direction, and in what they have made public to investors. In the same public documents, they have made it clear that such practice would leave the daily and/or the bimonthly reports under inclusive and the shorts under reported.
So thanks to the DD that has opened the eyes of investors and shareholders to the possible loopholes being manipulated to avoid reporting short volume and short interest in the OTC.
How short are the shorts in DHSM? Are they still short 10 times the float? Or are they digging even deeper?
75MM shares being retired when shorts were expecting free trading shares hitting the bid. OUCH!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:20:16 PM
Re: stocksonfire post# 25680
Post # of 25686
I would expect a squeeze if trigger will come once a trigger point is reached, both on PPS and available shares.
I wish I had the specifics of what will trigger those short to cover. I do believe it is north of $2 for PPS, but not sure what further reductions in the O/S will add to the boiling point.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:22:00 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25681
Post # of 25686
None of this, let me repeat, none of these links have the proof, or lack there of, for the internalized trades for DHSM that we are discussing.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:22:35 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25684
Post # of 25687
No. If they were, the stock would show up on the Reg SHO list. Sorry. - janice shell
Nope! Not necessarily.
Good Luck!
janice shell
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:29:44 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 25685
Post # of 25688
They explain the concept, though I don't expect you to take the trouble to read 'em.
No one will be offering "proof" of internalized trades in DHSM, because no one cares about DHSM.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:32:05 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25688
Post # of 25697
No one will be offering "proof" of internalized trades in DHSM, because no one cares about DHSM. - janice shell
Claims that there were no internalized trades for DHSM yesterday "should" be backed up.
Would also love to see those internalized trades to support claims that non-tape legs of trades reset the shorts for/on the days when they are claimed.
Imagine the credibility such proof would offer!
Good Luck!
Bull Finch
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:43:31 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25688
Post # of 25698
If no one cares about DHSM,
why do you even bother?
"They explain the concept, though I don't expect you to take the trouble to read 'em.
No one will be offering "proof" of internalized trades in DHSM, because no one cares about DHSM."~janice shell
janice shell
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:44:18 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 25693
Post # of 25698
Some of us just like to argue.
Bull Finch
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:45:13 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 25685
Post # of 25698
Funny how statements can be made
but proof is not required, at least by some!
"Although there were no "internalized" trades yesterday that would be another example of a transaction that is required to be MARKED as short, but sometimes is not, another case of under reporting."~BigBake1
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74961273
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74963864
"They explain the concept, though I don't expect you to take the trouble to read 'em.
No one will be offering "proof" of internalized trades in DHSM, because no one cares about DHSM."~janice shell
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74964824
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:45:57 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25691
Post # of 25699
LOLOL!! Those stupid promotional sites set "squeeze triggers" all the time. And nothing ever happens, except that the company pays $1000 a month for the promotion. - janice shell
Plenty of buyins have nearly BK'd abusive short selling market makers and broker dealers in the past.
Anticipating a squeeze to be triggered in due time.
janice shell
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:49:09 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 25696
Post # of 25699
Not in the stock of companies who pay sleazy Tom Ronk to put out his silly "reports".
Short squeezes are pretty rare, and they almost never occur in penny stocks.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:49:30 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25692
Post # of 25699
So should your claims of what you saw on the tape.
Perhaps BB will explain in detail why it looks as if there weren't any internalized trades yesterday. He most certainly has knowledge and experience. - janice shell
My proof of what occurred regarding the Level 2's and where the bids were and what the size of the bids were have all be noted and documented. What was provided this morning was documented proof that what happened "live" and what was reported doesn't appear to match. Not surprised. Pretty common with various market makers to have data not "match up".
Thanks to BB for providing another example of what happened and what was reported not matching up. DD such as that is valuable to investors.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:52:11 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25697
Post # of 25699
They do occur in penny stocks. When they do, they can be very costly for the abusive short sellers responsible.
Looking forward to further direction from DHSM regarding share structure and the development in Belize.
Strange how shorts could be short 10 times the float and no FTD or RegSHO alerts.
Oh well...
The system's loopholes are many and have been very costly to investors overall.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:13:40 PM
Re: janice shell post# 25700
Post # of 25701
Not very often. There was a squeeze in LEXG. Some small MMs got painful buyin notices. And then the stock crashed and burned.
That was a year ago; hasn't happened since. - janice shell
Stocks typically collapse after a squeeze is triggered. Key is to get in ahead of the squeeze, and not at the top of it.
None of LEXG's short interest was reported. Why is that? Loopholes in the reporting structure.
It is my belief that DHSM is still multiples of the float short. Those would be unreported shorts as was likely the case with LEXG.
With a float of only 3.3MM a forced buyin would cripple those abusively short.
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
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SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:08:43 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198950
Post # of 198975
Any bets on whether the website gets hijacked?
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:09:32 PM
Re: Anvil post# 198951
Post # of 198975
That's strange! I heard Sloane was planning on paying SA tax on $0.007 per share or more!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:13:54 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198954
Post # of 198975
No excuses. No need for a website. Dividend coming!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:17:05 PM
Re: Nitwit post# 198956
Post # of 198975
There is no Dividend coming... thanks for playing - Nitwit
Still waiting on that link to support such claims!
Good Luck!
Rocket Man
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:16:34 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198958
Post # of 198975
FFGO~ http://fortfinancegroup.com/
Just click on it.. It still is working.. Not was.. lol
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Lebron23
Friday, April 27, 2012 9:48:52 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 198959
Post # of 198975
Soon, when you click on that site you will see one thing:
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $
Rocket Man
Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:01:34 AM
Re: Lebron23 post# 198960
Post # of 198975
Nice, let the powers at be know a light is still burning.. LSLB, get my point?
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:02:31 AM
Re: TheStockBull post# 198961
Post # of 198975
Why? I just found the post on yahoo?
Just a little short? I wouldn't want to be, at all~
Rocket Man
Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:03:43 AM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198962
Post # of 198976
Interesting.. FFGO has a keen spirit..
Rocket Man
Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:05:04 AM
Re: Hunter6110 post# 198963
Post # of 198976
Noted, FFGO is on track.. Thanks
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:41:55 AM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198962
Post # of 198976
Thanks for all of the DD! Still no interest in writing down my investment.
Dividend Coming!
Waiting on DD to PROVE the dividend process was canceled.
Oh wait...
There is None! Just fancy and fantasy claims!
Good Luck!
lucvuillermoz
Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:31:18 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198971
Post # of 198976
why lowenthal bought ffgo.pk, 17.6 billions, at o.oo35 each instead of 0.0001 like the market
he made the transaction the 06/28/2010
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:43:06 PM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 198973
Post # of 198977
Because he know the investment is worth multiples of that.
PNKBULLSHT
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:02:08 PM
Re: None
Post # of 198977
This is very interesting....
Quote:
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The DTCC is not a regulatory organization, and a chill has nothing to do with any of those topics discussed. A chill or suspension of DTC services is due to suspicious trading activity that has or may compromise the market of illegal shares issued. Think about the consequence of Naked Shorting and apply that logic to an issuer that issues shares illegally, the shares should not be in the market place and they are not valid if one were to challenge the underwriting on them.
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"Absolutely nothing, it impacts regulatory organizations greatly, the SEC is going to have it's hands full. The DTCC is not a regulatory organization, and a chill has nothing to do with any of those topics discussed. A chill or suspension of DTC services is due to suspicious trading activity that has or may compromise the market of illegal shares issued. Think about the consequence of Naked Shorting and apply that logic to an issuer that issues shares illegally, the shares should not be in the market place and they are not valid if one were to challenge the underwriting on them. "~BigBake1
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74809965
"REMOVAL OF THE HISTORICAL “CHILL” ON THE COMPANY’S STOCKHOLDER REGISTER BY THE DTCC:
The Company for at least a year had a “chill” placed against it by the DTCC. The Company was never advised as to the reasons for this action. Your Company’s Management has been advised that the DTCC has now removed the “chill” from your Company. Any issues that the DTCC may have had with your Company would appear to have been resolved.
i also understand that fred bauman is a former sec attorney"~srm4u
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=48751757
PNKBULLSHT
Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:14:03 PM
Re: PNKBULLSHT post# 198975
Post # of 198977
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-209.pdf
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/otc/OTC-219.pdf
AlanC
Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:59:49 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1220
Post # of 1224
No surprise there. Those who sell non existant shares do not want to buy them back at all but will if forced at 50/70% less than what the non existant shares were sold for. Typical of the criminals. Go GNCP!!!
wrj
Friday, April 27, 2012 4:01:06 PM
Re: None
Post # of 31151
Knight Trading (nasdaq: NITE - news - people ) announced that it reached an agreement in principle with NASD and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for $79 million. The agreements concerns trading and conduct at Knight Securities between 1999 and 2001. Though the administrative order has not yet been finalized, Knight expects that the company "would neither admit nor deny the findings" in the agreement. The agreement in principle requires Knight to disgorge $41 million in institutional trading profits and pay $13 million in interest and $25 million in penalties.
AlanC
Friday, April 27, 2012 9:05:15 PM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 7444
Post # of 7447
lucvuillermoz: That is an interesting trait that most penny stock investors have in common. Like you they are looking forward to helping others upon receipt of the divys. Lots of good folks here. Go NMGL!!!
lucvuillermoz
Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:56:28 AM
Re: None
Post # of 7447
the question is why mr lowenthal bought at this highest price
is it to help a friend ?
is it because he believe in something better than the divvy ?
he could have bought them at 0.0001 instead 0.0035 ?
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:07:37 PM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198980
Post # of 198984
Assets that back preferreds held by WD are worth many times $0.0035. Sloane knew it then, and he knows it better now.
Great to be a shareholder!
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:15:22 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198986
Post # of 198988
The Dividend of FFGO: Timeline
Forthcoming...
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:31:19 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 198972
Post # of 198989
Puppy on runway delays flights at NYC airport
Just wanted to make sure you were OK!
I read this and was concerned!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/puppy-runway-delays-flights-nyc-airport-110603814.html
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:38:26 PM
Re: Anvil post# 198994
Post # of 199034
Why did Sloan write off his shares - Anvil
Love to see the proof for this fantasy claim!
Good Luck!
OldBen
Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:00:47 PM
Re: revelations post# 198922
Post # of 199034
I have had companies, brokers, television and radio personalities, and individual posters on bulletin boards lie to me (directly and indirectly). There is no safe haven or blanket class of people to trust. You have to research who is giving you the information and what they have to gain or lose or neither. And the quality of information that they have given in the past.
Let me give you my take with some numbers behind it. Let's say that you write off your shares. You could get up to $3,000 in deductions (capital gains loss cap) on 2012 tax return. You could always write off more shares the next year to stay under the cap.
Let's say that you max out the tax cap at $3,000. Which really works out to be a $1,000 assuming a 33% tax rate. You could take that $1,000 and invest in something else. Something actually trading. I would understand that.
You could also look at that $1,000 and see that $3,000 is $103,470 at 3,449% dividend plus interest of around 5-6K plus NSS of billions that reported as short volume and billions and billions more not even reported in my opinion. I believe the NSS is worth at least as much as the dividend. Remember: NSS started when FFGO was $4 a share and has been NSSd down to .0001. How much of that was NSSd is in debate. I have never seen a stock at 90% daily short year after year. You never know this thing could start trading so add your original $3,000 back.
So, $103,470 (dividend) + $5,000 (interest) + 103,470 (estimated NSS) + 3,000 (trades again) = $209,945 for that $1,000. Seems a no brainer to me. But, many people live in the moment and would rather have the $1,000.
Your choice. I have nothing to gain either way.
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:20:46 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 199034
Dividend Coming!
Assets worth $14B
Preferreds worth about 25% of that!
That is nearly $0.05/share!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:37:28 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 198999
Post # of 199034
Great to be a shareholder!
Could only speak for myself since only I am concerned about my best interest AS A SHAREHOLDER!
When the timeline if completed, those waiting patiently and those ignoring the fantasy will be rewarded.
Good Luck!
revelations
Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:47:39 PM
Re: OldBen post# 198997
Post # of 199034
Thanks Old Ben. I appreciate you taking the time to break things down. I have waited this long so I might as well stay to the end. Go FFGO!
AlanC
Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:09:00 AM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198980
Post # of 199034
Tom: Let's look at another possibility that this purchase was done as part of the deal that regulators approved to compensate both the company and its shareholders for the abuse suffered at the hands of naked short sellers. If this is not the case why has the SEC not laid a single charge against any of the connected parties, not a single charge! I am sure they have had thousands of complaints and they did do a thorough investigation of sister company Hunt Gold and yet not a single charge filed by regulators, not even a single fine! That fact gives credence to the speculation that our 3449% return has the stamp of approval by the regulators and that they have full knowledge of the abusive naked shorting of FFGO! Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
AlanC
Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:15:06 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198988
Post # of 199034
Seems that some folks sure want FFGO to be dead! FFGO must be causing the shortman sleepless nights based on the effort to convince us of its demise. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
AlanC
Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:24:46 AM
Re: OldBen post# 198997
Post # of 199034
OldBen: Thanks for taking the time to point out why longs continue to wait patiently for the announcement of the payment date of our promised dividends. You made it very clear as to why the shortman is in trouble with FFGO. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
AlanC
Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:27:01 AM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 199009
Post # of 199034
The shortman is the party/ies that sold billions of non existant FFGO shares to investors like you and I. Those shares the shortman sold did not exist. The shortman sold them from as high as $4.00 to as low as .0001. The shortman sold them to us expecting to never have to buy them back and heaven forbid ever having to pay dividends based on those shares. The shortman may go bankrupt when he has to pay our dividends and/or buy back those shares. Have no fear however no matter how bad things get for the shortman investors will be protected from the shortmans bankruptcy (too big to fail and all that)! Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
diamondguru-one
Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:15:33 AM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 199014
Post # of 199034
Quote:
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ALLEGATIONS OF NAKED SHORT SELLING OF YOUR COMPANY’S STOCK:
Your Company’s Management is very aware of the numerous allegations of Naked Short Selling, a common complaint from “Penny Stock Bosses”. Despite numerous requests from our stockholders for your Company’s Management to address this issue, we take the view that these allegations of Naked Short Selling are unfounded and that there is absolutely no proof of Naked Short Selling in your Company’s stock.
and I'm sure "YOU" know if they STATED they had "PROOF" or "admitted" to knowing about a NAKED SHARES SHORTED in their "COMPANY STOCK" they would be committing "FRUAD" !!! YOU do know that right ??? The LAW is THE LAW !! thanks for all your support in FFGO !!!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:36:20 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199018
Post # of 199034
Sorry! Dividend still in play! Nothing to support such fantasy claims of cancelations!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:50:16 AM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 199020
Post # of 199034
ILLEGAL Naked shorts shares are not reported to FINRA, the Company, the SEC, or Shareholders.
The company reported what was documented through FINRA.
If a naked short position exists, then those responsible for the naked short position are responsible for making IOU holders whole.
Those short are in a tough spot.
Should be interesting to see how many go BK when the dividend is paid.
Good Luck!
paunch13
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:08:05 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199021
Post # of 199034
Seven
I believe it is now only a matter of time before we receive our pay date
john
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:09:40 AM
Re: paunch13 post# 199023
Post # of 199034
John, if varmint is correct, and the mines are being sold for $14B combined, the wait will be well worth it for shareholders.
Those short will not be in a good position when they have to pay billions to cover their risk and liability.
Remember, no short position exists! LOL!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:11:36 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199025
Post # of 199034
Dividend Coming!
Nothing to prove the dividend process has been canceled!
I guess those short only have a few weeks to close out their risk.
The only way for that to happen is if shareholders write off a 100% loss ahead of a 3449% OR MORE gain!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:13:09 AM
Re: diamondguru-one post# 199017
Post # of 199034
DIVIDEND COMING!
MINES BEING SOLD FOR $14B ACCORDING TO DD PROVIDED BY VARMIT!
WILL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SETTLE WITH THE NAKED SHORTS FOR $1 PER SHARE PLUS OUR DIVIDEND DISTRIBUTION?
TIC TOC
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:14:03 AM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 199026
Post # of 199034
explain me how assets can worth 14 billions ? - LUCVUILLERMOZ
GOLD AND LOTS OF IT!
AlanC
Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:30:36 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1214
Post # of 1225
Don't say I never did you a favor! lol Go GNCP!!!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74973088
jb1967lbk
Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:26:40 AM
Re: Shilo post# 151582
Post # of 151595
They're not "phantom shares" either, even though they do not play a dilutive role in a corporation's capital structure.
When I naked short a security, the entity on the other side of my trade (the "contra party") has a claim against me for the value of those shares, and I carry it on my books as a contingent liability that I frequently mark to the market. The position is real. It exists. And if I'm wrong in my analysis, the time may come where I have to close that position at a significant loss.
(And, yes, I have had several naked short positions over the years where I lost money.)
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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OldBen
Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:00:47 PM
Re: revelations post# 198922
Post # of 199059
I have had companies, brokers, television and radio personalities, and individual posters on bulletin boards lie to me (directly and indirectly). There is no safe haven or blanket class of people to trust. You have to research who is giving you the information and what they have to gain or lose or neither. And the quality of information that they have given in the past.
Let me give you my take with some numbers behind it. Let's say that you write off your shares. You could get up to $3,000 in deductions (capital gains loss cap) on 2012 tax return. You could always write off more shares the next year to stay under the cap.
Let's say that you max out the tax cap at $3,000. Which really works out to be a $1,000 assuming a 33% tax rate. You could take that $1,000 and invest in something else. Something actually trading. I would understand that.
You could also look at that $1,000 and see that $3,000 is $103,470 at 3,449% dividend plus interest of around 5-6K plus NSS of billions that reported as short volume and billions and billions more not even reported in my opinion. I believe the NSS is worth at least as much as the dividend. Remember: NSS started when FFGO was $4 a share and has been NSSd down to .0001. How much of that was NSSd is in debate. I have never seen a stock at 90% daily short year after year. You never know this thing could start trading so add your original $3,000 back.
So, $103,470 (dividend) + $5,000 (interest) + 103,470 (estimated NSS) + 3,000 (trades again) = $209,945 for that $1,000. Seems a no brainer to me. But, many people live in the moment and would rather have the $1,000.
Your choice. I have nothing to gain either way.
AlanC
Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:38:41 PM
Re: lucvuillermoz post# 199011
Post # of 199059
lucvuillermoz: Not in the case of FFGO, the company has filed with the regulators its intentions spelling out exactly what it intended to do.
Personally, I think it was all part of a deal that was struck between FFGO management and the regulators. Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:37:57 PM
Re: TomSawyer post# 199040
Post # of 199059
FFGO - Dividend must be getting REALLY REALLY CLOSE!
Thanks for the DD!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:24:28 PM
Re: TomSawyer post# 199051
Post # of 199059
You're welcome. Glad you agree these FFGO/NMGL/Lumb/Ronald/Peter folks are criminals. - TomSawyer
OH NO! Quite the opposite.
Dividend coming! All shareholders should be excited!
Good Luck!
paunch13
Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:42:20 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199052
Post # of 199059
Seven
With each passing day we get one day closer to receiving our pay date from FFGO and that will make every true shareholder very happy
John
wrj
Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:58:13 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 31150
Post # of 31155
If I remember right, HGLC still trades. There's a reason!!! The ten day avereage is 3,328 shares. Dividends still in play? They have not been canceled.
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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varmit
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:38:54 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198906
Post # of 199094
the crippleing begins ,,, soon ha ha i estimate in the billions $$$$
that is really a huge mistake for shorties 2 be so greedy and allow smashing stocks to rock bottom
the mistake here is .... gold mines !!!! they never grasped gold at 700 an ounce would ever hit 1900 highs .....
they never read the dodge report /or dr collistons 10 million ounce reports and assays ....
big mistake ,,,,, buck a share club locked and loaded ....
varmit says !!!!! ps vianna ,,,nice to be back with priveleges reinstated !!!!!! all warm and varmy take care
tatoo1
Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:01:42 PM
Re: varmit post# 198908
Post # of 199094
Varm, I think the leading edge of this begins in May leading out three or four months. Accordiing to Goldrunner.
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:28:26 PM
Re: tatoo1 post# 199060
Post # of 199094
Dividend coming! Shorts know it!
Their only hope and fantasy wishes lie in write-downsby shareholders.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:10:09 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199062
Post # of 199094
still waiting!! - puppydotcom
Still waiting for proof that the dividend was canceled by the company or by the SEC's action.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16:20 PM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 199063
Post # of 199094
The SEC & IRS have both declared the shares worthless, allowing brokers & tax experts to simply follow standard accounting procedures as set forth by those government agencies and recommend write-offs. - RoadLessTraveled
So the IRS is recommending tax write-off now? WOW!
I am going to call the IRS tomorrow and ask them if this is true! Can't believe they are recommending a cut in their tax revenue. WOW!
Also, the SEC has not declared the shares worthless. There is simply no quoted value for the shares on a public exchange. Hence why there is no value being quoted.
I will call the SEC tomorrow to ask them if they, and the IRS, are recommending tax loss write-offs.
My tax professional is well aware of the pending 3449% ROI and my decision to buy shares in anticipation of the dividend. His advice is that he cannot find anything that supports claims of the dividend process being canceled or terminated.
His Advice...
Sit tight!
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:20:20 PM
Re: diamondguru-one post# 199017
Post # of 199094
There appears to be a possible case of tax fraud and tax evasion occurring.
Will be interested to hear what the IRS and the SEC has to say about a number of things.
Who is guilty of tax fraud? The company? The shorts? The enablers (i.e. the DTCC, FINRA,the SEC, the market makers,the brokers)?
Dividend Coming!
15% tax bracket from many shareholders coming to the Treasury via the dividend distribution!
Tic Toc
varmit
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:11:52 AM
Re: tatoo1 post# 199060
Post # of 199094
i beleive that 2 be true .... we get results in may .... pay and record date ....super 8k from nmgl afterall the dog has told us and warned us ffgo is dead / gone/ done [/b]for //////// hundreds of times .....
but guess what tatoo ... we already new that from ffgo faq .....our divvies are from nmgl not ffgo ......
but please be aware that there were 5 trillion shares authorized over at western diversified ..... do u think anyone sold some ?????? nss nss nsss nss ns
varmit
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:21:29 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 198911
Post # of 199094
true dat a measley billion shares at a buck a share ,is cheap compared to the cost of a cell next to bernie ........
when will these people learn that is illegal to sell air /phantom / and naked short shares .......and not cover the position in little time ......well buck a share gets some covered b4 the super 8k in may
i like the golden ring of it !!!!!! super 8 k coming in may !!!!!!!!!!! spread the word.....
some word to choke on !!!!! there are only 8 billion shares outstanding for share owners of ffgo stock .......we hjave over 20 billion shares that people claim 2 have purchased from ffgo
that makes 12 billion shares that do not exist ????? thats alota nss shares someone needs 2 cover those pretty quick ,,,,, while they still can .... just words 4 thought varmit cares
LAMBSHIFT
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:54:08 AM
Re: RoadLessTraveled post# 199067
Post # of 199094
the SEC has not deemed the FFGO shares worthless.generally revocation does not mean that a stock is worthless automatically.
it is known that there is a provision in the tax code to write down worthless shares.
but a revoked stock -allow me to repeat myself-of course is not necessarily worthless, if there are liquidation values (question of liquidation dividend). but you are allowed to write down such a stock too, if you renounce as a condition all your rights in the stock, irrevocably. there seem to be people, who try to convince other people to do exactly the last. why? why?
LAMBSHIFT
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:59:05 AM
Re: varmit post# 199072
Post # of 199094
about 12 billion probably non existing shares alone from about 200 shareholders!! what about the other shareholders - 800 or more??
paunch13
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:24:12 AM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 199094
AlanC
I believe you are right and I don't believe we will have to wait much longer before it is all proven and we will recive our divis
John
mwab52
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:15:38 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199078
Post # of 199094
Here we go! Another week of Pressure! Waiting on those divvies.Would'nt want to be short in (FFGO-Land).Hold onto those shorts.(FFGO)
mwab52
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:44:26 AM
Re: alien42 post# 199083
Post # of 199094
Wrong! The (SEC) is being forced to do something about those (IOU's) in (FFGO-land)....The Numbers dont lie.Just ask Finra! Hold onto those shorts.Pressure and more pressure.(FFGO)
Quote:
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Another week of Pressure!
lol, there is no pressure in revoked, non-trading scams like FFGO.
the money invested here is already gone and there is nothing anyone can do about that.
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SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:59:27 AM
Re: mwab52 post# 199086
Post # of 199094
FFGO - Dividend around the corner! Hold onto those shares! Do not write them down so those short can cover and close out their risk!
3449% PLUS ROI IS HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN 100% LOSS!
Tic Toc
paunch13
Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04:48 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199088
Post # of 199094
Seven
Writing off ones shares would be one of the dumbest acts a shareholder could ever do
John
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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GNCC Capital, Inc. (GNCP)
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Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 11:50:58 AM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198980
Post # of 199130
TomSawyer, this was all explained at the time of the purchase by Sloan. They answered the exact question you are asking.
A little dd...and you will find their/your answer.
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 1:14:04 PM
Re: alien42 post# 199099
Post # of 199130
An 8-K was filed. Not a bad idea to read it again.
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 1:15:49 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199100
Post # of 199130
Quote:
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I believe he is the same guy who owns NMGL and RENS ..
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Your belief is in error.
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 1:28:02 PM
Re: None
Post # of 199130
Looking forward to the NMGL/FFGO dividend....
LOCKED, LOADED & IMMINENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:42:18 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 199130
Time.....................will tell.
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:42:59 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199108
Post # of 199130
You need more up to date information.
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 2:44:18 PM
Re: medchal post# 199109
Post # of 199130
Not a good analogy imo. Enron triggered the final section of the current day 8-K.
If you don't care to read it......that's on you.
wrenchman
Monday, April 30, 2012 3:36:46 PM
Re: None
Post # of 199130
Oh no looks like someone is fixing those useless short interest reporting rules and i wonder why,but the numbers are useless and false!!!!GO FFGO!!!!
http://www.finra.org/web/groups/industry/@ip/@reg/@rulfil/documents/rulefilings/p126059.pdf
wrenchman
Monday, April 30, 2012 3:48:52 PM
Re: None
Post # of 199131
I really do not see how with all the new laws coming and already implemented that a stock can even have no bid,i mean if the par value is .0001 then that should be the bottom and i believe that is going to be solved!!!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:02:31 PM
Re: wrenchman post# 199125
Post # of 199131
I agree! The wait will be worth it for shareholders!
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:12:07 PM
Re: wrenchman post# 199124
Post # of 199131
wrenchman, thank you for the information. It's all coming together for NMGL/FFGO!!!!!!!
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 5:04:02 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199130
Post # of 199131
Hi, I post all day about a company that does not exist!!!!!!
My name is Puppy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:06:35 PM
Re: moe_the_gyp01 post# 1229
Post # of 1235
Sorry, Moe....I don't share much of my dd. And my dd shows me that what was posted is incorrect.
Lebron23
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:14:57 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1232
Post # of 1235
I use up to date information. GNCP (not GNCC as some incorrectly refer to it) will soon have audited Financial Statements imo!
(Note: GNCC is a symbol for another stock: Genco Corp.)
AlanC
Monday, April 30, 2012 5:12:31 PM
Re: wrenchman post# 199124
Post # of 199132
Amen! Can you smell the fear? Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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wrenchman
Monday, April 30, 2012 5:45:06 PM
Re: alien42 post# 199129
Post # of 199217
i believe it does and yes this is revoked,i believe that those laws are why the SEC is trying to clean up the pennies and also why FFGO was revoked but a Medical Marijuana stock that has said nothing and reported nothing for 4 or more years has not been revoked to this day!!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 30, 2012 7:08:34 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199135
Post # of 199217
FFGO - Dividend Coming!
Hate to be short on the Record and Payment DATES!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 30, 2012 7:30:34 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199138
Post # of 199217
Both Federal and stale laws clearly state: no private or corporation may conduct business or operate any business without current license or permits in the United States.
I will wait for you proof .. - puppydotcom
Pay SPECIAL and CLOSE attention to the BOLDED parts of the following...
17-16-1405. Effect of dissolution.
(a) A dissolved corporation continues its corporate existence but may not carry on any business except that appropriate to wind up and liquidate its business and affairs, including:
(i) Collecting its assets;
(ii) Disposing of its properties that will not be distributed in kind to its shareholders;
(iii) Discharging or making provision for discharging its liabilities;
(iv) Distributing its remaining property among its shareholders according to their interests; and
(v) Doing every other act necessary to wind up and liquidate its business and affairs.
(b) Dissolution of a corporation does not:
(i) Transfer title to the corporation's property;
(ii) Prevent transfer of its shares or securities, although the authorization to dissolve may provide for closing the corporation's share transfer records;
(iii) Subject its directors or officers to standards of conduct different from those prescribed in article 8;
(iv) Change quorum or voting requirements for its board of directors or shareholders; change provisions for selection, resignation, or removal of its directors or officers or both; or change provisions for amending its bylaws;
(v) Prevent commencement of a proceeding by or against the corporation in its corporate name;
(vi) Abate or suspend a proceeding pending by or against the corporation on the effective date of dissolution; or
(vii) Terminate the authority of the registered agent of the corporation.
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/statutes.aspx?file=titles/Title17/T17CH16.htm
Short and Distorts ar FUN!
Good Luck!
AlanC
Monday, April 30, 2012 7:43:12 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199139
Post # of 199217
Very clear and easily understood. No problem distributing a liquidating dividend. Works for me! Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 30, 2012 7:46:32 PM
Re: AlanC post# 199141
Post # of 199217
Strange that the link for the Wyoming Statutes continues to be messed with.
As posted on 04/26/2012
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/%3Cspan
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74894738&txt2find=wyoming|statutes
What I originally posted was this:
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/statutes.aspx?file=titles/Title17/T17CH16.htm
Somehow, it keeps getting altered and corrupted.
Very strange!
Someone with tech access messing with links?
This isn't the first time for this link or others.
Tic Toc
Bull Finch
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:04:17 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199142
Post # of 199217
It can mean only one thing!
The State of Wyoming is a scam, and has been delisted!
LOL
Rocket Man
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:32:51 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 199143
Post # of 199217
FFGO~ still at it.. http://fortfinancegroup.com/
SevenTenEleven
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:36:44 PM
Re: Rocket Man post# 199144
Post # of 199217
State of Wyoming Statutes still the same.
Regardless of how many times the link Posted is tampered with.
Bull Finch
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:46:14 PM
Re: wrenchman post# 199124
Post # of 199217
I can see it now!
Nite talking to FINRA...
Were short 2 Trillion in FFGO!
FINRA talking to NITE...
How could this be there are only 85 Billion outstanding!
NITE talking to FINRA...
If you think that's bad let me tell you about GWGO, and HGLC!
FINRA Rule 4560 (‘‘Short-Interest Reporting’’ or the ‘‘Rule’’)
requires each FINRA member to maintain a record of total short positions in all customer and
proprietary firm accounts in all equity securities (other than Restricted Equity Securities as defined in Rule 6420) and
regularly report such information to FINRA in the manner prescribed by FINRA.
The Rule generally providesthat the short positions to be recorded
and reported are those resulting from‘‘short sales’’ as that term is defined in Rule 200(a) of SEC Regulation SHO.4
FINRA is proposing to amend the Rule to clarify members’ recording and reporting obligations and to delete
several exceptions to the Rule.
First, FINRA is proposing to codify interpretive guidance previously issued by the Intermarket Surveillance Group
(ISG) that instructed members to report‘‘gross’’ short positions existing in each proprietary and customer account
(rather than net positions across accounts).5 Thus, the proposed rule change provides that members must report all gross short positions existing in each firm or customer account,
including the account of a broker-dealer, that resulted from a ‘‘short sale’’ as that term is defined in Rule 200(a) of SEC
Regulation SHO, as well as where the sale transaction that caused the short position was marked ‘‘long,’’ consistent
with SEC Regulation SHO, due to the firm’s or the customer’s net long
Bull Finch
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:55:19 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 199217
I forgot the Old Orderly Market Trick!
AKFish
Monday, April 30, 2012 8:56:54 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 199143
Post # of 199217
Bravo!!!
AKFish
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:06:32 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 199151
Post # of 199217
I'm swimming in the deep waters waiting for the tide to change.
Bull Finch
Monday, April 30, 2012 9:21:16 PM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 199217
This is one way how they do it!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74381287
"NITE talking to FINRA
"We had to NAKED short to create an orderly market, THAT's our JOB!"
and
"We had to stop reporting short numbers or else we would have been targeted by manipulative short squeeze groups and shareholders".
Thanks to the "hidden" legs of trades revealed to shareholders. Now it is understood how non-tape trades allow for short interest to never be reported.
Tic Toc"~SevenTenEleven
puppydotcom
Friday, April 13, 2012 4:26:42 PM
Re: None
Post # of 210
Important for any investors
1. Bashers first get paid in shares given to them by MMs when MMs are holding enough of a surplus of shares so that they can spare some.
2. Bashers hold the shares in their accounts until instructed by MMs to sell. This usually happens when MM supply is running short. MMs will raise the bid and ask simulating a small run-up for no apparent reason (an upside shakeout). Buyers may be buying temporary phantom shares if the MMs run out of real shares. There will be less buyers at the higher asks, and more sellers at the higher bids. At the top of the short runup MMs will short or naked short, then walk it back down. When selling pressure starts to weaken, MMs will instruct bashers to sell their few shares to keep the selling momentum going. Some weak hands may panic when they see this series of small-volume sells going through, and even though buys at this point may have larger volumes, MMs will drop the price on the smaller-volume sells. When the bashers and panic sellers are done selling, MMs may drop the bid price further to take out stop-loss orders placed by those who bought at the top of the runup, keeping the ask high to discourage further buying, cover their shorts low between the wide spread, then raise the bid to tighten up the spread and encourage further selling by weak hands. Once MMs have accumulated enough shares, some of the phantom shares bought may be embodied.
This tends to happen more often during the last week of the month, when MMs have to balance their books, and embody all the leftover phantom shares bought earlier in the month.
AlanC
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:06:58 AM
Re: newtrader2007 post# 199156
Post # of 199217
Something seems different here! Was there a roundup? Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:35:04 AM
Re: A deleted message
Post # of 199217
I agree! The market makers are self regulated. The truth will be revealed when the dividend is paid.
paunch13
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:24:59 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199159
Post # of 199217
Seven
One more day closer to the pay date for FFGO, Maybe today
John
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:26:59 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199160
Post # of 199217
Wrong! Sorry!
Based upon the statutes the company is allowed to wind down its business, which includes distribution planned assets to its shareholders.
Can't stop the dividend process with fantasy.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:31:24 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199160
Post # of 199217
Wrong! Sorry!
No reason for shareholders to writedown shares!
Based upon the statutes the company is allowed to wind down its business, which includes distribution planned assets to its shareholders.
Can't stop the dividend process with fantasy.
Good Luck!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:38:43 AM
Re: paunch13 post# 199161
Post # of 199217
I agree John!
We are one more day closer to our dividend and it will be well worth the wait and well worth the claims otherwise.
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:46:00 AM
Re: Bull Finch post# 199146
Post # of 199217
It is strange that the link posted, a number of times, to the Wyoming Statutes has been corrupted, a number of times, after being posted.
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/statutes.aspx?file=titles/Title17/T17CH16.htm
Very strange indeed!
The link contains information, provided by the State of Wyoming, that a company, such as FFGO, upon dissolution, will be allowed to wrap up its pending business, which includes distribution of assets and pending dividends to shareholders.
Not only has this FACT been made into a fantasy, the corruption of the link to those statutes is rather puzzling and concerning.
Remember, it is documented that the State of Incorporation Governs, AT ALL TIMES, what a company can and cannot do. This is according to FINRA.
There is no reason to believe the company has altered its course. The company specifically stated that there may be claims to the contrary, and that they cannot help those that allow themselves to be agitated by anonymous individuals making false claims.
There is NO reason to take 100% write downs ahead of a 3449% or MORE ROI!
The manipulation of the web address is just one more reason to believe there is concern for the dividend distribution.
Tic Toc
AlanC
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:35:53 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199166
Post # of 199217
I think you should report to regulators in Wyoming as to what is going on. They may wish to investigate and prosecute whoever is responsible.
Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
paunch13
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:39:31 AM
Re: AlanC post# 199171
Post # of 199217
AlanC
I agree, it is time to start making the ones responsiable pay for what ever is done to FFGO
John
Bull Finch
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:44:36 AM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199166
Post # of 199217
Maybe you should post it
in the yellow sticky posts, so Shareholder can keep an eye on the matter. Also the links importance warrants it being in the sticky posts!
"It is strange that the link posted, a number of times, to the Wyoming Statutes has been corrupted, a number of times, after being posted."~SevenTenEleven
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/statutes/statutes.aspx?file=titles/Title17/T17CH16.htm
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:49:08 AM
Re: TomSawyer post# 198980
Post # of 199217
Here is the question you posted:
Quote:
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people ask "why lowenthal bought ffgo.pk, 17.6 billions, at o.oo35 each instead of 0.0001 like the market".
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Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:05:54 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199179
Post # of 199217
Filings have nothing to do with dividend
Dividend has nothing to do with filings
Company made the decision to liquidate FFGO through the NMGL/FFGO liquidating dividend
AlanC
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:17:59 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 199180
Post # of 199217
Lebron23: That is the beauty of this plan that management devised. Liquidating dividends cannot be stopped, period. Once received how many of us will use a portion of the proceeds to invest in related/connected companies. Lots of liability for the shortman! Go FFGO!!!
Dividends of 3400%+ are worth waiting for!
paunch13
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:22:01 PM
Re: AlanC post# 199182
Post # of 199217
AlanC
I believe most of us with a lot of FFGO shares will invest at least 25 % of the money we recieve from our divis back into one of Mr. Lumbs companies and I believe that is what they are expecting
John
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 2:08:43 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199181
Post # of 199217
puppydotcom, it's all over the FAQ's. By the way, anyone who wants to read or print out the FAQ section of the FFGO website had better do that as soon as possible.
There is no longer any need for the FFGO website. If it goes....who cares? It no longer serves any purpose...(unless you want to look at the FAQ section again).
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 2:56:37 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199188
Post # of 199218
We will be getting an E-Mail when NMGL files the Super 8-K for the NMGL/FFGO dividend. There is no reason to keep the FFGO website open.
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:00:29 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199190
Post # of 199219
You can go to FFGO's website and register for the E-Mail communications!
That would be a wise thing to do before the site closes.
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 4:36:38 PM
Re: alien42 post# 199196
Post # of 199219
30%??? I think you'd better check your math.
Bull Finch
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 5:11:07 PM
Re: NYSERule282 post# 199193
Post # of 199219
Check out this FINRA Rule 4560
http://www.finra.org/web/groups/industry/@ip/@reg/@rulfil/documents/rulefilings/p125483.pdf
http://www.finra.org/web/groups/industry/@ip/@reg/@rulfil/documents/rulefilings/p126059.pdf
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:25:13 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 199200
Post # of 199219
From SEC Website on 4/30/12
http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/finra/2012/34-66872.pdf
IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED, pursuant to Section 19(b)(2) of the Act,
15 For the Commission, by the Division of Trading and Markets, pursuant to delegated authority. that the proposed rule change (File No. SR-FINRA-2012-001), as modified by the Amendments, be and hereby is approved on an accelerated basis.
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:44:09 PM
Re: alien42 post# 199203
Post # of 199219
I get 44.78%.....
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=gold&months=60
The original statement was 21 months. But, we'll use the 24 months you were talking about:
Price at 4/30/10: 1,148.69
Price at 5/1/12: 1,663.10
Change = 514.41 OR.....44.78%
Quote:
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30%??? I think you'd better check your math.
lol, oh really? so how much has gold gone up in the past two years lebron?
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I see you deleted/updated your earlier computation which didn't even add up or divide properly.
Bull Finch
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:48:19 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 199202
Post # of 199219
Got to love that accelerated basis stuff!
From SEC Website on 4/30/12
http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/finra/2012/34-66872.pdf
IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED, pursuant to Section 19(b)(2) of the Act,
15 For the Commission, by the Division of Trading and Markets, pursuant to delegated authority. that the proposed rule change (File No. SR-FINRA-2012-001), as modified by the Amendments, be and hereby is approved on an accelerated basis.
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:51:44 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 199195
Post # of 199219
Quote:
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Puppydotcom: 21 months since the FFGO management team ran way .. and counting!!
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First you tell us that the management teams for FFGO, RENS, NMGL & GNCP are the same..........................
Then, you tell us that they "ran way".
If they are managing other companies, how did they "ran way"? (I think you meant to say "ran away")
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:57:07 PM
Re: Bull Finch post# 199205
Post # of 199219
Yes, It's on the Front Burner! Thanks Bull Finch!
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:02:29 PM
Re: None
Post # of 199219
FFGO - DIVIDEND STILL VERY MUCH IN PLAY!
3...2...1...
Tic Toc
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:06:52 PM
Re: alien42 post# 199209
Post # of 199219
FFGO - It took 42 seconds! But YES! STILL IN PLAY!
Looking forward to ANYTHING from the SEC or the COMPANY stating the 8-K are irrelevant.
4..3...2...1...
Good Luck!
varmit
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:11:59 PM
Re: None
Post # of 199219
ffgoclass insession ....
well well varmit is glad 2 be back on the ffgo/western diversified holdings case !!!!!
sales of mines being processed ....... just think nmgl will make a fortune on the sales , purchased the gold mines at 900 and ounce and now we are almost 1700 again ...... thats a double ....
so baciscally the 258 million usd purchase price is now worth well over 550 million usd at todays gold rate ......
this puts nmgls stock price way way way way above the measley .51 cents is ask is at !!!!!!!! huge gains 2 be had here .....
a super 8 k is coming 2 trigger the record date .....
some beleive that there is a nss position of up to 5 trillion shares which were authorized at one time for sale ...... its the old 5t/wd sayin .... im just sayin ....
yup it aint over till its over folks
that time is very very close ...... 'varmy cares' class dismissed
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:15:43 PM
Re: varmit post# 199211
Post # of 199220
varmit, Impressive post!!! The numbers are mind-boggling on the NSS position........Great news that the sale of the mines is being processed!
And, you're right....NMGL will get a lot of $$$$$$$$$$ from this!
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:19:19 PM
Re: alien42 post# 199203
Post # of 199221
I get 44.78%
varmit
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:27:28 PM
Re: varmit post# 199211
Post # of 199221
FFGO
facts are facts :::::::: sale of mines soon 2 be finaled
nmgl files super8k
record and pay date announced
we recieve our nmgl dividends
no where did i mention anything about ffgo did i ??????
after all . ffgo is dead/gone / done for / revolked as it matters not and has no significance to issuing the divvies 2 us !!!! none
dats a faq jaq !!!!!
oops i failed 2 mention .... what happens when the divvy is announced and there are over 200 billion shares of air ???? phantom u might say ????? sold but not ever covered
its so easy 2 sell 200 billion shares ..... covering them at a buck a share is not so easy now is it:![]()
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"now varmy really cares"
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:29:22 PM
Re: varmit post# 199214
Post # of 199221
Good to Know the SEC is watching! $1 per share is fair to avoid prison for those illegally shorting and refusing to cover when they had a chance.
Tic Toc
stoprun
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:59:34 PM
Re: varmit post# 199214
Post # of 199221
Love to read your messages and thanks for the class.
GLTA!!!!
Rocket Man
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:02:10 PM
Re: None
Post # of 199222
Still Up and running.. http://fortfinancegroup.com/
Rocket Man
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:03:28 PM
Re: SevenTenEleven post# 199215
Post # of 199222
Since they revoked the FFGO stock, not much Shorty can do.. lol lol lol
Rocket Man
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:06:20 PM
Re: stoprun post# 199216
Post # of 199222
Ever think some thing larger is at stake in FFGO? A few subtle comments here and there.. The quietness in the sisters..?
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:51:18 AM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1237
Post # of 1242
When I research and trade a stock, I generally like to use the proper stock symbol. In this case, the symbol is GNCP (not GNCC as some here have erroneously posted).
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:52:26 AM
Re: None
Post # of 1242
Looking for filings on GNCP..and a bump up in the pps!!!
Lebron23
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:03:58 PM
Re: puppydotcom post# 1240
Post # of 1242
I'm saying get their symbol right and buy it before it goes skyrocketing.
Rocket Man
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:09:47 PM
Re: Lebron23 post# 199206
Post # of 199224
Lol.. FFGO~ http://fortfinancegroup.com/
SevenTenEleven
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:09:27 PM
NITE talking to FINRA
"We had to NAKED short to create an orderly market, THAT's our JOB!"
and
"We had to stop reporting short numbers or else we would have been targeted by manipulative short squeeze groups and shareholders".
Thanks to the "hidden" legs of trades revealed to shareholders. Now it is understood how non-tape trades allow for short interest to never be reported.
Tic Toc
5T WD haha
BMFL<OD
next week(s) is here
Who's Next!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQBLi5mukmI
Shortmans Anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRge7lXu56E
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