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		<title>By: Dane</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/cnbc-spectacle-precedes-naked-short-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-88619</link>
		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What else. NBCs affiliates have much at stake. NBC, MSNBC, CNBC.   NBC, MSNBC are the political machine and their bias is clear.  However, CNBC financial positioning from October 2007 until now is very telling.  

Considering that 60% of Americans are exposed to the market through 401k plans; why did CNBC continued to mislead individual investors while wealth fled to safety?  Close monitoring of CNBC from October 2007 till now would be a huge story. Media Bias, influence peddling under the guise of financial news.  What a powerful entity the ability to shape political and financial perceptions in direct contrast to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What else. NBCs affiliates have much at stake. NBC, MSNBC, CNBC.   NBC, MSNBC are the political machine and their bias is clear.  However, CNBC financial positioning from October 2007 until now is very telling.  </p>
<p>Considering that 60% of Americans are exposed to the market through 401k plans; why did CNBC continued to mislead individual investors while wealth fled to safety?  Close monitoring of CNBC from October 2007 till now would be a huge story. Media Bias, influence peddling under the guise of financial news.  What a powerful entity the ability to shape political and financial perceptions in direct contrast to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Reporter101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reporter101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cry Me A River.......


Lehman collapse puts hedge fund in dire straits http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/10/news/economy/river_boyd.fortune/index.htm
Short-seller Copper River should be in its glory in a market like this. Instead, it&#039;s fighting for its life.

By Roddy Boyd, writer
Last Updated: October 10, 2008: 12:15 PM ET
NEW YORK (Fortune) -- September was arguably the worst month in hedge fund history, as unprecedented volatility in the capital markets forced once-mighty investment managers to book losses that had been thought unimaginable.

But for noted short-sellers Copper River Management, a $1 billion hedge fund based in Larkspur, Cal., the month turned into a perfect storm.

A devastating combination of counter-party failure, sudden regulatory edicts and margin calls conspired to turn the fund&#039;s performance on its ear, leading to a 55% loss in just two weeks.

According to people familiar with Copper River, the fund&#039;s management has sent out a letter to its investors in an attempt to explain the crisis and to retain enough capital to keep operating.

Year had looked decent
What&#039;s worse for Copper River is that the battering had nothing to do with the quality of its investments - the fund, which primarily bets on the declining value of stocks it reasons are sharply over-priced, was otherwise having a decent year, returning about 5%.

The fund and its general partner, Marc Cohodes, are no stranger to controversy, given that its specialty is spotting dubious, or even illegal, business practices - and then publicizing its findings.

Profitable short sales for Copper River read like a &quot;Murderers Row&quot; of corporate blow-ups over the past decade, including the likes of Grand Theft Auto game maker Take-Two Interactive Software (TTWO), insurer Conseco and Boston Chicken.

More recently, two companies the fund has shorted, Overstock.com and Fairfax Financial Holdings, have sued the fund, alleging Copper River (formerly known as Rocker Partners, after founder David Rocker) participated in a scheme to drive down their stock prices. The Overstock case is headed for an April trial in California; the fund was recently dismissed from the Fairfax case.

Hard times aren&#039;t foreign to Copper River, either: The fund dropped 36% in 2003 when the equity markets surged. But those losses were attributable to the short-sellers dilemma: Shorts are betting on declines in stock prices when, over time, stock prices tend to go up (current events notwithstanding). In 2005, however, the fund netted a 46% return.

The recent problems for Copper River began in the middle of last month as Lehman Brothers began to totter. According to Copper River investor and another person close to the fund, Copper River had put on a series of derivative trades with Lehman as its counter-party. As certain stocks dropped in price (as described to Fortune, the derivatives were structured as put options, allowing the fund to sell a stock to Lehman on the belief that it could cover the sale at a lower price at a later date), the trade would become more profitable for the fund.

When it became apparent that Lehman was in serious straits, Copper River unwound the trade and awaited the return of the capital it put up as collateral. But Lehman filed for bankruptcy September 15 and Copper River&#039;s money became tied up in the firm&#039;s mounting court battles with creditors.

On top of that, as Lehman unwound its own internal hedges to the Copper River trades, its trading desks bought shares of these companies, driving up their prices and leading to losses for Copper River.

Suffering in the short ban
That was bad enough, but on September 19, the bottom fell out for the fund. That was when the Securities and Exchange Commission ordered unprecedented restrictions in short sales, including the banning of all short sales of financial companies (and soon expanded to dozens of non-financial companies).

As prices in those stocks shot upwards, Copper River was forced to cover - or buy back - some of its positions at steep losses. The rising stock prices also led to a series of margin calls (demands for additional cash collateral to be deposited in a margin account) from Goldman Sachs, Copper River&#039;s prime broker. A Goldman spokesman did not return a call seeking comment.

Copper River&#039;s Cohodes declined to comment. Yet it must have been galling for Cohodes to watch former Lehman chief executive Dick Fuld castigate short sellers when Copper River&#039;s own fortunes were tied to Lehman&#039;s sinking ship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cry Me A River&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Lehman collapse puts hedge fund in dire straits <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/10/news/economy/river_boyd.fortune/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/10/news/economy/river_boyd.fortune/index.htm</a><br />
Short-seller Copper River should be in its glory in a market like this. Instead, it&#8217;s fighting for its life.</p>
<p>By Roddy Boyd, writer<br />
Last Updated: October 10, 2008: 12:15 PM ET<br />
NEW YORK (Fortune) &#8212; September was arguably the worst month in hedge fund history, as unprecedented volatility in the capital markets forced once-mighty investment managers to book losses that had been thought unimaginable.</p>
<p>But for noted short-sellers Copper River Management, a $1 billion hedge fund based in Larkspur, Cal., the month turned into a perfect storm.</p>
<p>A devastating combination of counter-party failure, sudden regulatory edicts and margin calls conspired to turn the fund&#8217;s performance on its ear, leading to a 55% loss in just two weeks.</p>
<p>According to people familiar with Copper River, the fund&#8217;s management has sent out a letter to its investors in an attempt to explain the crisis and to retain enough capital to keep operating.</p>
<p>Year had looked decent<br />
What&#8217;s worse for Copper River is that the battering had nothing to do with the quality of its investments &#8211; the fund, which primarily bets on the declining value of stocks it reasons are sharply over-priced, was otherwise having a decent year, returning about 5%.</p>
<p>The fund and its general partner, Marc Cohodes, are no stranger to controversy, given that its specialty is spotting dubious, or even illegal, business practices &#8211; and then publicizing its findings.</p>
<p>Profitable short sales for Copper River read like a &#8220;Murderers Row&#8221; of corporate blow-ups over the past decade, including the likes of Grand Theft Auto game maker Take-Two Interactive Software (TTWO), insurer Conseco and Boston Chicken.</p>
<p>More recently, two companies the fund has shorted, Overstock.com and Fairfax Financial Holdings, have sued the fund, alleging Copper River (formerly known as Rocker Partners, after founder David Rocker) participated in a scheme to drive down their stock prices. The Overstock case is headed for an April trial in California; the fund was recently dismissed from the Fairfax case.</p>
<p>Hard times aren&#8217;t foreign to Copper River, either: The fund dropped 36% in 2003 when the equity markets surged. But those losses were attributable to the short-sellers dilemma: Shorts are betting on declines in stock prices when, over time, stock prices tend to go up (current events notwithstanding). In 2005, however, the fund netted a 46% return.</p>
<p>The recent problems for Copper River began in the middle of last month as Lehman Brothers began to totter. According to Copper River investor and another person close to the fund, Copper River had put on a series of derivative trades with Lehman as its counter-party. As certain stocks dropped in price (as described to Fortune, the derivatives were structured as put options, allowing the fund to sell a stock to Lehman on the belief that it could cover the sale at a lower price at a later date), the trade would become more profitable for the fund.</p>
<p>When it became apparent that Lehman was in serious straits, Copper River unwound the trade and awaited the return of the capital it put up as collateral. But Lehman filed for bankruptcy September 15 and Copper River&#8217;s money became tied up in the firm&#8217;s mounting court battles with creditors.</p>
<p>On top of that, as Lehman unwound its own internal hedges to the Copper River trades, its trading desks bought shares of these companies, driving up their prices and leading to losses for Copper River.</p>
<p>Suffering in the short ban<br />
That was bad enough, but on September 19, the bottom fell out for the fund. That was when the Securities and Exchange Commission ordered unprecedented restrictions in short sales, including the banning of all short sales of financial companies (and soon expanded to dozens of non-financial companies).</p>
<p>As prices in those stocks shot upwards, Copper River was forced to cover &#8211; or buy back &#8211; some of its positions at steep losses. The rising stock prices also led to a series of margin calls (demands for additional cash collateral to be deposited in a margin account) from Goldman Sachs, Copper River&#8217;s prime broker. A Goldman spokesman did not return a call seeking comment.</p>
<p>Copper River&#8217;s Cohodes declined to comment. Yet it must have been galling for Cohodes to watch former Lehman chief executive Dick Fuld castigate short sellers when Copper River&#8217;s own fortunes were tied to Lehman&#8217;s sinking ship.</p>
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		<title>By: doesn't matter...</title>
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		<dc:creator>doesn't matter...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>putting it together...I will read this in it&#039;s entirety.  A quick skim of it&#039;s contents and players peaks my interest as I think it will lend even more credence to my believe that they (Republicans and Democrats) are all &quot;in cahoots&quot; and have been for a long time for their own good and none others.  Let me make that clear...THEIR own good, not their constituents.  Thank you for that link.  I will pass it along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>putting it together&#8230;I will read this in it&#8217;s entirety.  A quick skim of it&#8217;s contents and players peaks my interest as I think it will lend even more credence to my believe that they (Republicans and Democrats) are all &#8220;in cahoots&#8221; and have been for a long time for their own good and none others.  Let me make that clear&#8230;THEIR own good, not their constituents.  Thank you for that link.  I will pass it along.</p>
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		<title>By: Patchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I submitted questions into Becky and Joe to ask Chanos but for some reason they never asked him:

1. Jim are you willing to to have your BD buying in for guaranteed delivery any fails that they are carrying on behalf of your trade.  I am not talking best effort where the BD claims that can not buy it in because there are no shares available at this price but guaranteed delivery buy-in at the cost necessary to obtain settlement.
 
2.  Jim, why do you think a BD is taking the financial liability of holding a Fail to Deliver in the system on behalf of their clients?  Who ultimately benefits from this, the BD or the client who is represented in their trade strategy but represented not with a legitimized trade but with a trade that failed to meet the standards expected.
 
3.  Jim, If you agree that the rules for settlement are essential, and that loopholes exist that you can drive a tank through, why are you opposed to the mandatory pre-borrow that would guarantee settlement is achieved.  Isn&#039;t any other alternative so far discussed providing for the existence of a settlement failures?  Can&#039;t trades that fail for even a day or a week be leverage used to drive away buyers in a market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I submitted questions into Becky and Joe to ask Chanos but for some reason they never asked him:</p>
<p>1. Jim are you willing to to have your BD buying in for guaranteed delivery any fails that they are carrying on behalf of your trade.  I am not talking best effort where the BD claims that can not buy it in because there are no shares available at this price but guaranteed delivery buy-in at the cost necessary to obtain settlement.</p>
<p>2.  Jim, why do you think a BD is taking the financial liability of holding a Fail to Deliver in the system on behalf of their clients?  Who ultimately benefits from this, the BD or the client who is represented in their trade strategy but represented not with a legitimized trade but with a trade that failed to meet the standards expected.</p>
<p>3.  Jim, If you agree that the rules for settlement are essential, and that loopholes exist that you can drive a tank through, why are you opposed to the mandatory pre-borrow that would guarantee settlement is achieved.  Isn&#8217;t any other alternative so far discussed providing for the existence of a settlement failures?  Can&#8217;t trades that fail for even a day or a week be leverage used to drive away buyers in a market?</p>
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		<title>By: putting it together</title>
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		<dc:creator>putting it together</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chanos&#039; interview can be used against the brokers.   He said that the brokers weren&#039;t delivering. 

If it were only the SEC that is corrupt, but it is worse than that.  It is every government agency.   They are all being run for a profit for someone.  

Read this in its entirety: http://www.dunwalke.com/

The privatization of prisons requires an increasing prison population for growth. That is why we won&#039;t see border control.   We will see no improvement in drug trafficking because the War on Drugs, like the War on Poverty and the War on Terrorism are all profit centers.  Wall Street is just a money launderer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chanos&#8217; interview can be used against the brokers.   He said that the brokers weren&#8217;t delivering. </p>
<p>If it were only the SEC that is corrupt, but it is worse than that.  It is every government agency.   They are all being run for a profit for someone.  </p>
<p>Read this in its entirety: <a href="http://www.dunwalke.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dunwalke.com/</a></p>
<p>The privatization of prisons requires an increasing prison population for growth. That is why we won&#8217;t see border control.   We will see no improvement in drug trafficking because the War on Drugs, like the War on Poverty and the War on Terrorism are all profit centers.  Wall Street is just a money launderer.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He may be right about the shorts.  I dont care.  His company doesnt have a p/e%.

Where is that Google dont post software.

Borland shouldnt have been let go.  That was bad, and other things.  OSTK cant turn a profit. Id like to help, could have made all the diffrence, but I i CANTSHUT UP.

Mr Byrne may know part of the reason Wall Street is going bad.  I dont pretend to understand naked shorting.  Maybe its a factor....

I like p/e&#039;s around 15/20 to 1...and even that was GARBAGE to mr buffett in the past. I say that with RESPECT.  TURN a PROFIT!

EXPORT SOMETHN!!!


I do wish overstock.com the best.  I think 10 years down the line, it may actually be a mkt leader, worth 5 bil.

None of that will help our current situation.  What bankers, fed, anyone...cant realize is this.  We financed the lat 15 years on real estate appreciation.  And loans made to people that had no business in a fixed, much less a vairiable.

Im actually surprised that the collapse didnt happen sooner.  

Sincerely, 

JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may be right about the shorts.  I dont care.  His company doesnt have a p/e%.</p>
<p>Where is that Google dont post software.</p>
<p>Borland shouldnt have been let go.  That was bad, and other things.  OSTK cant turn a profit. Id like to help, could have made all the diffrence, but I i CANTSHUT UP.</p>
<p>Mr Byrne may know part of the reason Wall Street is going bad.  I dont pretend to understand naked shorting.  Maybe its a factor&#8230;.</p>
<p>I like p/e&#8217;s around 15/20 to 1&#8230;and even that was GARBAGE to mr buffett in the past. I say that with RESPECT.  TURN a PROFIT!</p>
<p>EXPORT SOMETHN!!!</p>
<p>I do wish overstock.com the best.  I think 10 years down the line, it may actually be a mkt leader, worth 5 bil.</p>
<p>None of that will help our current situation.  What bankers, fed, anyone&#8230;cant realize is this.  We financed the lat 15 years on real estate appreciation.  And loans made to people that had no business in a fixed, much less a vairiable.</p>
<p>Im actually surprised that the collapse didnt happen sooner.  </p>
<p>Sincerely, </p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: lenofus</title>
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		<dc:creator>lenofus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic thing is, GE is the parent company of CNBC, and they had to beg from protection from guys like Chanos.  And then, they help guys like Chanos blow up MS and GS, where CNBC runs in the trading room.

I think the Street should just boycott CNBC, and that&#039;s just a stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic thing is, GE is the parent company of CNBC, and they had to beg from protection from guys like Chanos.  And then, they help guys like Chanos blow up MS and GS, where CNBC runs in the trading room.</p>
<p>I think the Street should just boycott CNBC, and that&#8217;s just a stock.</p>
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