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	<title>Comments on: Carol Remond Tells a Joke She Doesn&#8217;t Get (DowJones)</title>
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		<title>By: ownership</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/carol-remond-tells-a-joke-about-copper-river-that-she-doesnt-get/comment-page-1/#comment-128461</link>
		<dc:creator>ownership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why keeping a site like this up is important.  It documents all the &#039;notices&#039; to the SEC and we know the fine folks there read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why keeping a site like this up is important.  It documents all the &#8216;notices&#8217; to the SEC and we know the fine folks there read it.</p>
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		<title>By: karma</title>
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		<dc:creator>karma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pontiyak, the thing I like about it is they wouldn&#039;t be able to get out as there are either no shares or virtually no shares in the float.  They&#039;d be trapped with their counterfeit obligations.  

Let&#039;s say I am the sole owner of a private company and owner of 100% of the float of a heavily shorted shell.  The private company was paying me $5 million per year.

I have the shell purchase the private company for one share and pay out the $5 million in dividends and I still get the exact same $5 million back I was getting when it was private as I own 100% of the outstanding.

The difference, is all the other IOU shareholders also get paid.  If there was 100 times the float outstanding naked, then shorty would have to write a check for $500 million each and every year and watch helplessly as the share price and his margin requirement rises until he pops.

There are lots of shells like this.  Look for the companies that traded at .001 on the pinks.  

Rinse and repeat and suddenly $500 million seems like a lot of money as all those delisted companies come back to life with new businesses to extract revenge from the bad guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pontiyak, the thing I like about it is they wouldn&#8217;t be able to get out as there are either no shares or virtually no shares in the float.  They&#8217;d be trapped with their counterfeit obligations.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I am the sole owner of a private company and owner of 100% of the float of a heavily shorted shell.  The private company was paying me $5 million per year.</p>
<p>I have the shell purchase the private company for one share and pay out the $5 million in dividends and I still get the exact same $5 million back I was getting when it was private as I own 100% of the outstanding.</p>
<p>The difference, is all the other IOU shareholders also get paid.  If there was 100 times the float outstanding naked, then shorty would have to write a check for $500 million each and every year and watch helplessly as the share price and his margin requirement rises until he pops.</p>
<p>There are lots of shells like this.  Look for the companies that traded at .001 on the pinks.  </p>
<p>Rinse and repeat and suddenly $500 million seems like a lot of money as all those delisted companies come back to life with new businesses to extract revenge from the bad guys.</p>
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		<title>By: pontiyak</title>
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		<dc:creator>pontiyak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we&#039;ve&quot; been sending the SEC all the evidence they&#039;ve needed since 2000, and they have know full well about Fails to deliver,naked shorting, and the manipulation since the mid 90&#039;s.
The SEC should be revamped, pereiod.
I&#039;ve been saying &quot;Cash is King&quot; for many years now, and that idea of buying a heavily shorted stock, like CMKX, and then handing out a small cash dividend would without a doubt uncover the worst of the miscreants. Maybe even the Sith Lord. A cash divy of even .005 would BK the Basties in round one. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we&#8217;ve&#8221; been sending the SEC all the evidence they&#8217;ve needed since 2000, and they have know full well about Fails to deliver,naked shorting, and the manipulation since the mid 90&#8217;s.<br />
The SEC should be revamped, pereiod.<br />
I&#8217;ve been saying &#8220;Cash is King&#8221; for many years now, and that idea of buying a heavily shorted stock, like CMKX, and then handing out a small cash dividend would without a doubt uncover the worst of the miscreants. Maybe even the Sith Lord. A cash divy of even .005 would BK the Basties in round one. <img src='http://www.deepcapture.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reporter101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reporter101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patchie,

INCAPABLE or CULPABLE ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patchie,</p>
<p>INCAPABLE or CULPABLE ?</p>
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		<title>By: ponzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ponzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repost:

It seems the bad guys are the same ones going bankrupt and the same ones writing anti SHO letters.

Letter from Madoff on SHO.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/s72303-284.pdf

Private Madoff conference call on SHO with SEC.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/s72303-431.pdf

http://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-12-06/s71206-149.pdf

As what has become a pattern of the SEC, the investing public is not given equal face time to openly discuss matters/analysis with the Commission as is frequently being afforded to the institutions the Commission is responsible for regulating; a double standard that puts in question the Commissions true motives. [Ref: The SEC’s Documented Memorandums to meetings held during the inception of Regulation SHO with the Securities Industry Association, National Service Clearing Corporation, Bear Stearns, Madoff Investment Securities, Hill Thompson, Citigroup Global Markets, and LEK Securities Corp http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303.shtml 

Once considered a radical practice but only a minor source of inefficiency, payments for
order flow – agreements by which dealers offer monetary rewards or other non-pecuniary
services to brokers in exchange for the routing of retail market bid or ask offers116 — have
become a core regulatory concern. The controversy became prominent in 1993, when Madoff
Investments mysteriously garnered 10% of NYSE-listed volume through a legal “kickback”
scheme that permitted brokers to increase personal revenues without obtaining the consent of
their clients.117
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s71004/jdmt011405.pdf

&quot;The Madoff Exception”
http://www.chx.com/content/Participant_Information/Downloadable_Docs/MarketRegulation/1_InformationMemoranda/2004/MR_04_26_Regulation_SHO.pdf

Regulation SHO, Rule 200 - Order Marking and Ownership

SEC Rule 200(g) defines the ownership of securities with regard to short sale transactions previously enumerated under SEC Rules 3b-3 and 10a-1(d). Pursuant to the provisions of SEC Rule 200, all sales of equity securities must be marked “long”, “short”, or “short exempt”.

Orders can be marked “long” only when the seller owns the security being sold, and such security is in the physical possession or control of the broker-dealer, or it is reasonably expected that the security will be in the physical possession or control of the broker-dealer prior to settlement.

Orders must be marked “short exempt” if the seller is entitled to rely upon any exception to the tick test under SEC Rule 10a-1 and Exchange Article IX, Rule 17. Short sale transactions involving a specialist pursuant to the so-called “Madoff” exception or the equalizing exemption under SEC Rule 10a-1(e)(5) (sales by specialist or market maker on a zero-minus tick), however, need not be marked as “short exempt.” Orders marked “short exempt” must also comply with the stock locate requirements detailed in SEC Rule 203 below, unless some exception applies…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repost:</p>
<p>It seems the bad guys are the same ones going bankrupt and the same ones writing anti SHO letters.</p>
<p>Letter from Madoff on SHO.<br />
<a href="http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/s72303-284.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/s72303-284.pdf</a></p>
<p>Private Madoff conference call on SHO with SEC.<br />
<a href="http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/s72303-431.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/s72303-431.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-12-06/s71206-149.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-12-06/s71206-149.pdf</a></p>
<p>As what has become a pattern of the SEC, the investing public is not given equal face time to openly discuss matters/analysis with the Commission as is frequently being afforded to the institutions the Commission is responsible for regulating; a double standard that puts in question the Commissions true motives. [Ref: The SEC’s Documented Memorandums to meetings held during the inception of Regulation SHO with the Securities Industry Association, National Service Clearing Corporation, Bear Stearns, Madoff Investment Securities, Hill Thompson, Citigroup Global Markets, and LEK Securities Corp <a href="http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303.shtml</a> </p>
<p>Once considered a radical practice but only a minor source of inefficiency, payments for<br />
order flow – agreements by which dealers offer monetary rewards or other non-pecuniary<br />
services to brokers in exchange for the routing of retail market bid or ask offers116 — have<br />
become a core regulatory concern. The controversy became prominent in 1993, when Madoff<br />
Investments mysteriously garnered 10% of NYSE-listed volume through a legal “kickback”<br />
scheme that permitted brokers to increase personal revenues without obtaining the consent of<br />
their clients.117<br />
<a href="http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s71004/jdmt011405.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s71004/jdmt011405.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Madoff Exception”<br />
<a href="http://www.chx.com/content/Participant_Information/Downloadable_Docs/MarketRegulation/1_InformationMemoranda/2004/MR_04_26_Regulation_SHO.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.chx.com/content/Participant_Information/Downloadable_Docs/MarketRegulation/1_InformationMemoranda/2004/MR_04_26_Regulation_SHO.pdf</a></p>
<p>Regulation SHO, Rule 200 &#8211; Order Marking and Ownership</p>
<p>SEC Rule 200(g) defines the ownership of securities with regard to short sale transactions previously enumerated under SEC Rules 3b-3 and 10a-1(d). Pursuant to the provisions of SEC Rule 200, all sales of equity securities must be marked “long”, “short”, or “short exempt”.</p>
<p>Orders can be marked “long” only when the seller owns the security being sold, and such security is in the physical possession or control of the broker-dealer, or it is reasonably expected that the security will be in the physical possession or control of the broker-dealer prior to settlement.</p>
<p>Orders must be marked “short exempt” if the seller is entitled to rely upon any exception to the tick test under SEC Rule 10a-1 and Exchange Article IX, Rule 17. Short sale transactions involving a specialist pursuant to the so-called “Madoff” exception or the equalizing exemption under SEC Rule 10a-1(e)(5) (sales by specialist or market maker on a zero-minus tick), however, need not be marked as “short exempt.” Orders marked “short exempt” must also comply with the stock locate requirements detailed in SEC Rule 203 below, unless some exception applies…</p>
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		<title>By: Patchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about this a little closer.  

The SEC investigated David Rocker and Rocker Partners the same time they investigated Gradient and Overstock.com.  Eventually the SEC gave all three a no-action response but it took the SEC an extra few years to give Overstock theirs as opposed to Rocker and Gradient.

What have we learned since then?

Gradient settled with Overstock.com and admitted to the error of their ways and did so publicly.  Most likely there is something the PR did not tell us but for all appearances teh settlement proved the SEC was wrong in giving up the no-action letter.

This Remond article likewise exposes the fact that Rocker could not make money unless they engaged in a scheme (strategy) that was illegal.  So why didn&#039;t the SEC find this out when they investigated Rocker and his trading records?

Doesn&#039;t this all go to show that the SEC is incapable of identifying fraud even when it is handed to them?  The Madoff scandal is now proving the SEC can audit the books of a Ponzi scheme and still give it a clean bill of health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about this a little closer.  </p>
<p>The SEC investigated David Rocker and Rocker Partners the same time they investigated Gradient and Overstock.com.  Eventually the SEC gave all three a no-action response but it took the SEC an extra few years to give Overstock theirs as opposed to Rocker and Gradient.</p>
<p>What have we learned since then?</p>
<p>Gradient settled with Overstock.com and admitted to the error of their ways and did so publicly.  Most likely there is something the PR did not tell us but for all appearances teh settlement proved the SEC was wrong in giving up the no-action letter.</p>
<p>This Remond article likewise exposes the fact that Rocker could not make money unless they engaged in a scheme (strategy) that was illegal.  So why didn&#8217;t the SEC find this out when they investigated Rocker and his trading records?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this all go to show that the SEC is incapable of identifying fraud even when it is handed to them?  The Madoff scandal is now proving the SEC can audit the books of a Ponzi scheme and still give it a clean bill of health.</p>
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		<title>By: buzz kill</title>
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		<dc:creator>buzz kill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re going to steal, steal a lot.</description>
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		<title>By: tommytoyz</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommytoyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be clear about REG SHO having a loophole that allows naked short selling:

1. It is a true statement, REG SHO does authorize naked short selling. However,
2. Only within the settlement cycle, which is generally inside 3 days.

Fails outside the settlement cycle (rule 15c6-1) are not authorized by anything in REG SHO by anyone and thus all fails are illegal.

So we should be clear as a bell and differentiate between 

1. Legal naked short selling, withing the settlement cycle 
2. Illegal naked short selling, outside and beyond the settlement cycle
3. Fails to Deliver, always illegal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be clear about REG SHO having a loophole that allows naked short selling:</p>
<p>1. It is a true statement, REG SHO does authorize naked short selling. However,<br />
2. Only within the settlement cycle, which is generally inside 3 days.</p>
<p>Fails outside the settlement cycle (rule 15c6-1) are not authorized by anything in REG SHO by anyone and thus all fails are illegal.</p>
<p>So we should be clear as a bell and differentiate between </p>
<p>1. Legal naked short selling, withing the settlement cycle<br />
2. Illegal naked short selling, outside and beyond the settlement cycle<br />
3. Fails to Deliver, always illegal</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cramer Does Patrick. Too, too funny..............
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=966337239&amp;play=1

From Investorsvillage!! You&#039;ve got to see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cramer Does Patrick. Too, too funny&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=966337239&amp;play=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=966337239&amp;play=1</a></p>
<p>From Investorsvillage!! You&#8217;ve got to see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,  it&#039;s absurd and evokes images of brokers taking fake t bills in exchange for fake shares.  What this country really needs is a new $10,000 note, which is what the Franklin would be worth if it had kept up with inflation.  A 5 cent soda counter luncheon (burger, fries, &#039;coke&#039;) yesterday cost me $6 at some place called McDonald&#039;s.
yt,
Herb Wells</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,  it&#8217;s absurd and evokes images of brokers taking fake t bills in exchange for fake shares.  What this country really needs is a new $10,000 note, which is what the Franklin would be worth if it had kept up with inflation.  A 5 cent soda counter luncheon (burger, fries, &#8216;coke&#8217;) yesterday cost me $6 at some place called McDonald&#8217;s.<br />
yt,<br />
Herb Wells</p>
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		<title>By: John Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even think you can call whatever it is that they do &quot;intellectual discourse&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even think you can call whatever it is that they do &#8220;intellectual discourse&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: THE WHISTLEBLOWER</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE WHISTLEBLOWER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Madoff a whistleblower?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Madoff a whistleblower?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand, for the life of me how $2.29 trillion out of $10.3 trillion in government debt can fail to deliver.  How can I buy what I think is super safe, AAA debt, even taking a negative interest rate and receive an IOU instead?

Why don&#039;t these guys get arrested for counterfeiting?  Has anyone contacted the secret service?

http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081019/REG/310209975

The credit crisis is causing a growing number of delivery failures with Treasury securities.

The latest data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York showed that cumulative failures hit a record $2.29 trillion as of Oct. 1. The federal settlement period is T+1 (trade date plus one day).

The outstanding U.S. public debt is $10.3 trillion.

&quot;Current [fail] levels are at historic levels,&quot; said Rob Toomey, managing director of the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association&#039;s funding and government and agency securities divisions. &quot;There&#039;s been significant flight to quality&quot; with the market turmoil, he said.

With the strong demand for Treasury securities, &quot;some of the entities that bought Treasuries are not making them available in the [repurchase] market, which is the traditional way to get them,&quot; Mr. Toomey said.

Unlike some past bouts with high failure rates that involved particular bond issues, the current high fails involve all types of maturities, he said.

This month, New York- and Washington-based SIFMA came out with a set of best practices to reduce failed deliveries.

This year, the New York Fed revised its own Treasury market trading guidelines. Its guidelines, originally released last year, warned that short-sellers &quot;should make deliveries in good faith.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand, for the life of me how $2.29 trillion out of $10.3 trillion in government debt can fail to deliver.  How can I buy what I think is super safe, AAA debt, even taking a negative interest rate and receive an IOU instead?</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t these guys get arrested for counterfeiting?  Has anyone contacted the secret service?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081019/REG/310209975" rel="nofollow">http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081019/REG/310209975</a></p>
<p>The credit crisis is causing a growing number of delivery failures with Treasury securities.</p>
<p>The latest data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York showed that cumulative failures hit a record $2.29 trillion as of Oct. 1. The federal settlement period is T+1 (trade date plus one day).</p>
<p>The outstanding U.S. public debt is $10.3 trillion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Current [fail] levels are at historic levels,&#8221; said Rob Toomey, managing director of the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association&#8217;s funding and government and agency securities divisions. &#8220;There&#8217;s been significant flight to quality&#8221; with the market turmoil, he said.</p>
<p>With the strong demand for Treasury securities, &#8220;some of the entities that bought Treasuries are not making them available in the [repurchase] market, which is the traditional way to get them,&#8221; Mr. Toomey said.</p>
<p>Unlike some past bouts with high failure rates that involved particular bond issues, the current high fails involve all types of maturities, he said.</p>
<p>This month, New York- and Washington-based SIFMA came out with a set of best practices to reduce failed deliveries.</p>
<p>This year, the New York Fed revised its own Treasury market trading guidelines. Its guidelines, originally released last year, warned that short-sellers &#8220;should make deliveries in good faith.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MightyUnderdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MightyUnderdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little off topic, but I believe you got some dap on CNBC today in regards to the Aguirre case, Dr. Byrne.  No names were mentioned, but plenty of innuendo, on that bastion of journalistic integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little off topic, but I believe you got some dap on CNBC today in regards to the Aguirre case, Dr. Byrne.  No names were mentioned, but plenty of innuendo, on that bastion of journalistic integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise. What would you have expected Charlie McCarthy to have said about Edgar Bergen&#039;s hedge fund going under?

Only difference here was I don&#039;t think Copper River&#039;s manipulative hand was up this puppet&#039;s back. Think it was about a foot lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise. What would you have expected Charlie McCarthy to have said about Edgar Bergen&#8217;s hedge fund going under?</p>
<p>Only difference here was I don&#8217;t think Copper River&#8217;s manipulative hand was up this puppet&#8217;s back. Think it was about a foot lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Karma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This idea has been floated a few times.  If implemented on mass, I think it would bring the system to its knees and bankrupt the bad guys.

1. Investor group acquires an extremely profitable private company.     

2. Investor group buys 100% of the outstanding shares of a heavily shorted issuer.  It doesn&#039;t matter if the business was a scam or not.  What you are looking for is a shell where there are lots of unsettled fails.  A CMKX type company would be perfect.  It could be a delisted company - just get it to qualify with the new business and relist it, but don&#039;t roll it back.  All those fails and obligations for the fails are still outstanding.  They don&#039;t go away just because it was delisted.  As long as the company isn&#039;t delinquent with the state, it can be relisted.

3. Issue one share to purchase the private company.  It doesn&#039;t matter how many shares you issue as you own 100% of the shell and 100% of the private company.  

4. Start paying cash dividends.  The counterfeiters have to match every dividend, dolllar for dollar.  Let&#039;s say the fails were hundred times the outstanding because it was cellar boxed at .001.  

Then for every dollar the company pays out in dividend, the counterfeiters have to pay out $100.  It becomes a cash machine.  The stock would likely rise as they desperately try to cover, but don&#039;t sell them any real shares.  They can&#039;t get out of the position and have no choice to keep paying the $100 until they go bankrupt.  

The money they are paying out goes out to the people that they gave IOU&#039;s to, not the investor group, so there is no issue with manipulation.  It&#039;s only karma to make them pay dividends to the people they owe real shares to.  In reality, the investors group might only be able to buy 99% to stay compliant with rules about floats, etc., but the basic idea is the same.

Rinse and repeat with other shells and other private companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea has been floated a few times.  If implemented on mass, I think it would bring the system to its knees and bankrupt the bad guys.</p>
<p>1. Investor group acquires an extremely profitable private company.     </p>
<p>2. Investor group buys 100% of the outstanding shares of a heavily shorted issuer.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if the business was a scam or not.  What you are looking for is a shell where there are lots of unsettled fails.  A CMKX type company would be perfect.  It could be a delisted company &#8211; just get it to qualify with the new business and relist it, but don&#8217;t roll it back.  All those fails and obligations for the fails are still outstanding.  They don&#8217;t go away just because it was delisted.  As long as the company isn&#8217;t delinquent with the state, it can be relisted.</p>
<p>3. Issue one share to purchase the private company.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how many shares you issue as you own 100% of the shell and 100% of the private company.  </p>
<p>4. Start paying cash dividends.  The counterfeiters have to match every dividend, dolllar for dollar.  Let&#8217;s say the fails were hundred times the outstanding because it was cellar boxed at .001.  </p>
<p>Then for every dollar the company pays out in dividend, the counterfeiters have to pay out $100.  It becomes a cash machine.  The stock would likely rise as they desperately try to cover, but don&#8217;t sell them any real shares.  They can&#8217;t get out of the position and have no choice to keep paying the $100 until they go bankrupt.  </p>
<p>The money they are paying out goes out to the people that they gave IOU&#8217;s to, not the investor group, so there is no issue with manipulation.  It&#8217;s only karma to make them pay dividends to the people they owe real shares to.  In reality, the investors group might only be able to buy 99% to stay compliant with rules about floats, etc., but the basic idea is the same.</p>
<p>Rinse and repeat with other shells and other private companies.</p>
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		<title>By: solomon740</title>
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		<dc:creator>solomon740</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently illegal trading strategies are of no interest to the SEC.  Just like Madoff&#039;s violation of trading rules in 2006 that were identified but not pursued by the SEC for whatever reason.

I suggest we all contact oig@sec.gov to complain about lax enforcement of securities laws.  The SEC Inspector General needs to do something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently illegal trading strategies are of no interest to the SEC.  Just like Madoff&#8217;s violation of trading rules in 2006 that were identified but not pursued by the SEC for whatever reason.</p>
<p>I suggest we all contact <a href="mailto:oig@sec.gov">oig@sec.gov</a> to complain about lax enforcement of securities laws.  The SEC Inspector General needs to do something.</p>
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		<title>By: clearthinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>clearthinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I think the debate over the SEC&#039;s incompetence re: Maddof is entertaining, but what I want to know is:

WEHERE IS THE MONEY....

If it&#039;s no longer in the USA, let&#039;s go get it...NOW

How can Maddof be free on bail for something of this magnitude UNLESS, he cut a deal...and IF he cut one, should not he have had to TELL where the MONEY IS???

Enough games....Where The F is the money?????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I think the debate over the SEC&#8217;s incompetence re: Maddof is entertaining, but what I want to know is:</p>
<p>WEHERE IS THE MONEY&#8230;.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s no longer in the USA, let&#8217;s go get it&#8230;NOW</p>
<p>How can Maddof be free on bail for something of this magnitude UNLESS, he cut a deal&#8230;and IF he cut one, should not he have had to TELL where the MONEY IS???</p>
<p>Enough games&#8230;.Where The F is the money?????????</p>
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		<title>By: Inept</title>
		<link>http://www.deepcapture.com/carol-remond-tells-a-joke-about-copper-river-that-she-doesnt-get/comment-page-1/#comment-127198</link>
		<dc:creator>Inept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries...SEC doesn&#039;t seriously prosecute anyone for market manipulation, even when there is abundant evidence such as the trail Copper River has undoubtedly left behind.

Now if only Christopher Cox were subject to prosecution...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries&#8230;SEC doesn&#8217;t seriously prosecute anyone for market manipulation, even when there is abundant evidence such as the trail Copper River has undoubtedly left behind.</p>
<p>Now if only Christopher Cox were subject to prosecution&#8230;</p>
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